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6 minutes ago, Jack Watson said:

 I think it would be awesome,  but also dangerous because if you make ANYTHING possible with force use...

There clearly is consequences with doing things that can strain the body.

10 minutes ago, Jack Watson said:

 I think it would be awesome,  but also dangerous because if you make ANYTHING possible with force use...

I don't think Rian Johnson is saying that. His main theme is that the Force is with everyone and for everyone to use, not only the Jedi. I don't get the feeling they are saying anything is possible. I don't think the Force can let you time travel, yet :-P

12 minutes ago, Jack Watson said:

kinda requires a buy in from Hamill because he has made many public comments about he did not like where they took the story.  Is Hamill trolling us also?

Rian Johnson has talked about this. Hamil is a seasoned veteran who has strong opinions on how his characters develop. Him an Rian sat down and discussed the path Luke was taking. I don't think Hamil was trolling the fans.

I don't think anyone was deliberately trolling the fans.

12 minutes ago, Jack Watson said:

Ren vs Rey doesn’t have the same appeal as for example Ren and Rey teaming up against the Snoke who was never there for example.

Meh. Snoke was interesting, but he was just your typical powerful bad guy. I rather see the story stay with Rey and Kylo.

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Eh,  its just a movie.  I conclude my interest in Star Wars is darn near done now and that’s the end of it.  Imo a lot of potential seems to have been wasted in this movie.  

Theres about a 3 percent chance at best that my option 1 above has some truth to it so I am not worrying about it anymore.  At this point I have but a tiny sliver of hope that they have a cool plan with this trilogy and a strong feeling that Star Wars is as dead as Luke.

Changed my mind about another viewing in theatre too.

That’s all I have to say about that until 2019.

 

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On 12/20/2017 at 8:39 PM, Jack Watson said:

Also I liked the Finn side plotat the casino a lot.  They had a real purpose!

Did you like Jar Jar Binks as well?  

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Just now, NCGolfer said:

Did you like Jar Jar Binks as well?  

The Finn/Rose plot isn't even close to being as bad as Jar Jar. 

 

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6 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

The Finn/Rose plot isn't even close to being as bad as Jar Jar. 

Just trying to measure of his rationality.  Call it the Jar Jar test.

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14 minutes ago, Grass Destruction said:

So if the rebel fleet could jump to light speed to destroy a ship, why didn't they do that to destroy the Death Star any time they wanted in the first trilogy??

Because it destroys that ship and everyone on it, too?

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1 hour ago, Grass Destruction said:

So if the rebel fleet could jump to light speed to destroy a ship, why didn't they do that to destroy the Death Star any time they wanted in the first trilogy??

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Holdo’s last command isn’t The Last Jedi’s only potential plot hole. It’s not even the only one related to Holdo. Why does she have to stay on the ship in the first place? Why won’t she tell Poe about her plan for the transports? Why is fuel scarcity suddenly such a big plot point for the first time in a Star Wars movie? Why doesn’t the First Order send out its starfighters, or make a micro-jump through hyperspace to get ahead of the Raddus rather than tailing it for hours? These are all worthy matters of Star Wars minutiae for fans to chew over on an idle day, but none of them threatens the whole of Star Wars storytelling the way Holdo’s dying act does.

Maybe the timing of escape was such that it required someone to be there. Maybe, it is better to have someone there in case something happens. Obviously you could probably program an auto-pilot. What if something went  wrong? Contingencies are a good strategy. 

Poe is a hot shot pilot who's actions so far has cost him the trust of the higher ups. Why would you tell him? What if he disagreed right there and caused much more harm to the plan? At that moment, I am sure she is not happy with the fact he cost them their bomber fleet and a good portion of their pilots. 

The fuel thing was OK. I think they could have made a much more elegant reason. I think the hyperspace tracking could have been enough drama. If you could never get away, then you are going to find different way to flee. The plan to escape on cloaked transports still fit as a good strategy to escape. Yea, the fuel thing was just extra drama. I accepted it, but it didn't add any drama for me. 

The star-fighter thing is an issue. Typically there are classes of ships. Capital ships out class fighters by a lot. Typically, the fighters dog fight to protect the smaller ships (medical ships). A squadron of fighters would have a hard time defeating a single cruiser. That is why you really want to get the cruiser in range of the star destroyers.  

The big issue is, what if the cruiser makes a jump and now you can't track them? Why make a micro jump when you are certain you can just outlast them?

Yea, I can see how using a ship as a weapon by launching it into hyperspace can have be feedback. 

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Awful , just plain awful. Not a Star Wars movie. No excuse what they turned beloved characters into. 

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7 minutes ago, jmanbooyaa said:

Awful , just plain awful. Not a Star Wars movie. No excuse what they turned beloved characters into. 

Yea, I don't get this type of logic. What do you want, a rehash of episode 4 thru 6? Cause, that is what you will get if you have Luke show up and be the hero of the day again. Seriously, the Star Wars universe is much more than Luke and the Skywalkers. I get that people love these characters, but they are not the end all and be all to the Star Wars universe. 

 

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That is incorrect. The 9 episodes as they were conceived were about the Skywalkers. This abomination ruined the mythos of Star Wars. Did not want a rehash of previous movies. To insinuate that with a proper Skywalker plot line that is what you would get makes no sense. 

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The 9 episodes as they were conceived were about the Skywalkers. This abomination ruined the mythos of Star Wars. 

How so?

Define the mythos of Star Wars?

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The Skywalkers. That is it. Once 9 movies as they were intended they can be made up into new stories that were never created yet.  The director of this mess even admitted that he never watched the 7th movie. Disney did not take any of Lucas story outlines into consideration. They simply made shit up that does not follow the story. I do not wamt to ruin any specifics for those who did not see it yet but this was poor story telling from a studio and director that did not get the characters. 

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1 minute ago, jmanbooyaa said:

The Skywalkers. That is it. 

Then you are wrong.

The mythos of Star Wars is not just the Skywalkers. The Skywalkers are just one story in entire universe. If you want a rehash of the same heroic arch, over and over again, then you will get a boring story that just plays to your nostalgia rather than develop something new. 

Honestly, I am tired of seeing the same redemptions story. 

The mythos of Starr Wars is beyond the Skywalkers. 

4 minutes ago, jmanbooyaa said:

 The director of this mess even admitted that he never watched the 7th movie. 

I can not find any evidence of this. I type in "Rian Johnson didn't watch episode VII." and found nothing. 

5 minutes ago, jmanbooyaa said:

Disney did not take any of Lucas story outlines into consideration.

Yet, people claim that Lucas almost destroyed Star Wars with his prequels. 

If Lucas wants to complain, he has no one to blame but himself. He is the one that sold Star Wars. If he wanted he could have found funding to make the next three movies and end the Starwalker saga on his own terms. He didn't, he was a sell out.

I have no issue with Disney not taking the story from someone who didn't want to even finish the story. Why should they? It would be a lose lose for them. They either would never get credit for any of the success because people would just say they just did what Lucas wanted, or they get blamed for the failure because they let Lucas write the story. 

They did the only thing they could do, branch off from Lucas. It was the right move to make. It might upset people who hold Lucas as some sort of Star Wars deity. 

Here is the only truth. The films in which Lucas had a big control over did poorly. The prequels are held in low regard. Empire's Strikes Back wasn't written by or directed by Lucas. 

Yea, this love for Lucas is unfounded in actual story telling. He created a wonderful world were a multitude of stories can be told, that is it. 

He is not that good of a director, and less good of a script writer. 

The Last Jedi is probably the best written, acted, and directed Star Wars movie. It might have some pacing issues and plot issues, but it is an excellent movie. 

People who hold on to the past due to nostalgia will always be disappointed. 

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We can agree to disagree. Lucas created the universe. Was not a terrific director or writer. Stories he was great at. You will never convince me this was a good Star Wars movie. As long as the Skywalkers exist they are Star Wars. Solos are technically Skywalkers also. So yes the Skywalkers are the Star Wars story. 

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2 minutes ago, jmanbooyaa said:

As long as the Skywalkers exist they are Star Wars. 

Then you do not understand Star Wars. 

3 minutes ago, jmanbooyaa said:

Solos are technically Skywalkers also

Nope

3 minutes ago, jmanbooyaa said:

So yes the Skywalkers are the Star Wars story. 

Nope

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Nonesense. There is no way you can think the Solo children are not Skywalkers. Who is their mother? Who was her father? Star Wars is the Skywalkers story. Inner conflict good vs bad. The force and how it flows. This is not the expanded universe we are talking about. Ep1-9. The Skywalkers story

 

 

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