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Driver Shaft Length Creep

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1 hour ago, Bucki1968 said:

I am 5'9". It may be that the new shaft just doesn't match well with the club head but the ball just does not come off the face with the same velocity. I don't use that driver much so I just put a shorter shaft into it as an experiment to see if it would work. Maybe it's the guy swinging the club?

Naw.  One important thing to remember...it's always the club!  Lol!

This wasn't a cut-down, correct?  You had your driver re-shafted, but to a shorter length if I remember correctly?  There are a couple of reasons why it might feel "clunky" or like the ball isn't coming off the face with any authority:  

  • The swingweight is too light.  If the club is 1" shorter than before, it will be approx. 6 swingweight points lighter.  1.5" shorter = about 9 points.  This weight has to be replaced in some way, otherwise the results won't be good.
  • The new shaft is too stiff.  If the new shaft is stiffer than the previous one, or too stiff for your swing, you won't be able to load the shaft and it won't feel good or go very far.

It's usually a good idea to note the specs of a club before any changes are made.  This will give you a point of reference to know how much difference there is on things like swingweight, shaft flex, length, and things like that.  If there is an issue like this, then the specs can be compared which will usually provide a clue as to why.

Don't give up on it yet!

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I'm sure this was touched on before, but I wanted to add to it. For about the first six years Tiger Woods was on tour he played a 43.5" Driver with a Steel True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 shaft.  I think that shaft is ~130 grams. John Daly who won 11 Driving distance titles from 1991 to 2002 (DL III got him in 1994), played a few different heads but had something like an 80 gram 45" graphite shaft in his drivers. When Tiger went to 45" graphite, his accuracy went south. Then he went to the Memorial Tournament in I want to say 2009 with a 10° Driver and 44" shaft (weighted properly) and missed only 7 fairway all week. I don't know why he didn't stick with that length. 

I know distance sells but controlled distance is better.  All I'm wondering is why when they went from 44 to 45 to 46 inches and back to 45, why didn't they realize, oh 44 inches has less dispersion for amateurs and they distance loss is negligible.

I'm 6'5" and I can hit a 44" driver, why did standard creep?

I'm sure this was touched on before, but I wanted to add to it. For about the first six years Tiger Woods was on tour he played a 43.5" Driver with a Steel True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 shaft.  I think that shaft is ~130 grams. John Daly who won 11 Driving distance titles from 1991 to 2002 (DL III got him in 1994), played a few different heads but had something like an 80 gram 45" graphite shaft in his drivers. When Tiger went to 45" graphite, his accuracy went south. Then he went to the Memorial Tournament in I want to say 2009 with a 10° Driver and 44" shaft (weighted properly) and missed only 7 fairway all week. I don't know why he didn't stick with that length. 

I know distance sells but controlled distance is better. 

I'm sure this was touched on before, but I wanted to add to it. For about the first six years Tiger Woods was on tour he played a 43.5" Driver with a Steel True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 shaft.  I think that shaft is ~130 grams. John Daly who won 11 Driving distance titles from 1991 to 2002 (DL III got him in 1994), played a few different heads but had something like an 80 gram 45" graphite shaft in his drivers. When Tiger went to 45" graphite, his accuracy went south. Then he went to the Memorial Tournament in I want to say 2009 with a 10° Driver and 44" shaft (weighted properly) and missed only 7 fairway all week. I don't know why he didn't stick with that length. 

I know distance sells but controlled distance is better. 

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6 hours ago, onthehunt526 said:

I'm sure this was touched on before, but I wanted to add to it. For about the first six years Tiger Woods was on tour he played a 43.5" Driver with a Steel True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 shaft.  I think that shaft is ~130 grams. John Daly who won 11 Driving distance titles from 1991 to 2002 (DL III got him in 1994), played a few different heads but had something like an 80 gram 45" graphite shaft in his drivers. When Tiger went to 45" graphite, his accuracy went south. Then he went to the Memorial Tournament in I want to say 2009 with a 10° Driver and 44" shaft (weighted properly) and missed only 7 fairway all week. I don't know why he didn't stick with that length. 

I know distance sells but controlled distance is better.  All I'm wondering is why when they went from 44 to 45 to 46 inches and back to 45, why didn't they realize, oh 44 inches has less dispersion for amateurs and they distance loss is negligible.

I'm 6'5" and I can hit a 44" driver, why did standard creep?

I'm sure this was touched on before, but I wanted to add to it. For about the first six years Tiger Woods was on tour he played a 43.5" Driver with a Steel True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 shaft.  I think that shaft is ~130 grams. John Daly who won 11 Driving distance titles from 1991 to 2002 (DL III got him in 1994), played a few different heads but had something like an 80 gram 45" graphite shaft in his drivers. When Tiger went to 45" graphite, his accuracy went south. Then he went to the Memorial Tournament in I want to say 2009 with a 10° Driver and 44" shaft (weighted properly) and missed only 7 fairway all week. I don't know why he didn't stick with that length. 

I know distance sells but controlled distance is better. 

I'm sure this was touched on before, but I wanted to add to it. For about the first six years Tiger Woods was on tour he played a 43.5" Driver with a Steel True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 shaft.  I think that shaft is ~130 grams. John Daly who won 11 Driving distance titles from 1991 to 2002 (DL III got him in 1994), played a few different heads but had something like an 80 gram 45" graphite shaft in his drivers. When Tiger went to 45" graphite, his accuracy went south. Then he went to the Memorial Tournament in I want to say 2009 with a 10° Driver and 44" shaft (weighted properly) and missed only 7 fairway all week. I don't know why he didn't stick with that length. 

I know distance sells but controlled distance is better. 

I think a big reason for the distance creep in shaft length is because they have continued to make them lighter and lighter, so the extra length is needed to keep the swingweight up.  I agree that a shorter length driver is better, but when you go from a 130g shaft like the Dynamic Gold to a 50g graphite, that's an 80g difference which is about 8-9 swingweight points.  So from a manufacturer's perspective, how do you get the swingweight back up without making the head heavier?  Make the shaft longer.  And before you know it, drivers are 46-46.5" long!  

Is this the best for most players?  I don't think so, but in terms of how it happened, this would be why.

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2 minutes ago, 1badbadger said:

I think a big reason for the distance creep in shaft length is because they have continued to make them lighter and lighter, so the extra length is needed to keep the swingweight up.  I agree that a shorter length driver is better, but when you go from a 130g shaft like the Dynamic Gold to a 50g graphite, that's an 80g difference which is about 8-9 swingweight points.  So from a manufacturer's perspective, how do you get the swingweight back up without making the head heavier?  Make the shaft longer.  And before you know it, drivers are 46-46.5" long!  

Is this the best for most players?  I don't think so, but in terms of how it happened, this would be why.

The shaft is miles lighter which is the truth... Most pros were playing 80-90 grams when the big switch to graphite happened. I personally play a 77 gram shaft..  I think with a heavier shaft it's a little easier to get away with. I am tossing around getting a 44" driver shaft with an EX9 adapter on it and finding a lighter grip. The issue is, I play Jumbo grips hard to find any.of those in the weight category I'm looking at.

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I wondered about this very subject.

I would hit one in 4 or 5 right down the center of the fairway. The others were equally as long, but who knew where they were going to go. Spraying to the right? Spraying to the left? Bah.
I read where Tiger and Ricky, as you did, used the shorter length drivers. So I started messing with that by choking up (or is it down) on it and hitting several with my hands in that position. Trying to make sure that the swing was essentially the same.
I took mine down to 44" (rather than 45) as it was 90+% of the time right down the gullet.

 

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I had my driver shaft shortened by 1 1/2" today. I'd been gripping down to the end of the grip for some time now trying to gain some control, so I made the decision hoping it wouldn't bring a loss in distance.

I brought it home and immediately started hitting balls with it. Nothing really seemed different at first - maybe a bit less distance... but it's not like I'd been hitting very long the last couple of months anyway. I then got into a groove and started hitting the nearly exact same shot 6 or 7 times in a row. I haven't checked GPS yet for distance, but I'm going to guess these shots are at least at my average.

Obviously, this means very little as far as a lasting improvement with accuracy. But I don't think there will be a substantial loss in distance. At this point, I'd trade a small amount the latter for the former.

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This is from Game Golf - before and after I changed the shaft in my driver

before (Matrix VLCT SP)
Shaft 45.5", Fairway 36%, Average 244 yards

After (Project X HZRDUS Black-65)
Shaft 44.5", Fairway 52%, Average 261 yards

I'm not claiming the most technical test, and in part it may be due to me improving my swing and different conditions etc, indeed the replacement shaft may be 'better' as well as shorter, but its a reasonable sample size and hopefully will give some of you considering the switch food for thought.

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Don't know if anybody else has mentioned it, but in February, Rickie Fowler started playing a driver a full inch shorter than he previously used.  Saw many articles about it at the time.

This season have heard many commentators talking about how much more accurate he has been off the tee than in years past.  Have not heard that many comments about being shorter off the tee.  

 

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12 hours ago, Dinoma said:

This is from Game Golf - before and after I changed the shaft in my driver

before (Matrix VLCT SP)
Shaft 45.5", Fairway 36%, Average 244 yards

After (Project X HZRDUS Black-65)
Shaft 44.5", Fairway 52%, Average 261 yards

I'm not claiming the most technical test, and in part it may be due to me improving my swing and different conditions etc, indeed the replacement shaft may be 'better' as well as shorter, but its a reasonable sample size and hopefully will give some of you considering the switch food for thought.

That's a substantial improvement. I'm certain I won't experience any increase in distance but at this point, distance isn't even on the radar.

I practiced a bit more tonight and decided shortening the driver won't fix my issues. I have to swing sooooo slow to get decent ball flight. As a result, I'm losing 10 - 20 yards from what GameGolf said I was averaging (219). 

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