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Does this practice tool exist??

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So recently I learned of a lag putting drill Phil Mickleson came up with/practiced and I thought I'd put it to the test. The drill was to putt 5 out of 5 balls at the lagging distance (20-35ft) to within 3 feet of the hole. That imaginary three feet circle would be awesome if I didn't have to imagine it so I was wondering if they make some sort of ring that's thin and flat enough to lay around the hole? If you can imagine something like a muffle ring that some drummers use on their snare drums but a larger circumference. Idk if anyone knows if these exisist or if you guys even know what I have I my head. I'll try and find a picture of the drum ring I mentiond because that's exactly what I'm thinking of but just larger!! Feel free to recommend any other putting tools you like!
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I always use a couple of tees around the hole, mainly in the back of the hole to not interfer with the putting line of course.

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I practice lag putting by requiring myself to at least 2 putt every lag putt.  It does me no good to get the ball within a given radius from the hole if I can't make the second putt.  Therefore, I always putt the second putt into the hole.  No measuring device needed.

The only real putting practice aid I'll use sometimes is a chalk-line to snap a straight line on the green to help me with alignment and stroke.

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Eyeline Golf -   http://www.eyelinegolf.com/products/target-circles

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You could steal a paper toilet seat cover from a public bathroom, but I guess you'd have to lag it pretty close to the hole.

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You could make a circle with a piece of string.
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Originally Posted by TKGolfs

So recently I learned of a lag putting drill Phil Mickleson came up with/practiced and I thought I'd put it to the test. The drill was to putt 5 out of 5 balls at the lagging distance (20-35ft) to within 3 feet of the hole. That imaginary three feet circle would be awesome if I didn't have to imagine it so I was wondering if they make some sort of ring that's thin and flat enough to lay around the hole? If you can imagine something like a muffle ring that some drummers use on their snare drums but a larger circumference. Idk if anyone knows if these exisist or if you guys even know what I have I my head. I'll try and find a picture of the drum ring I mentiond because that's exactly what I'm thinking of but just larger!!

Feel free to recommend any other putting tools you like!

I bought one of those about 6 yrs ago and left it at the range --- no one turned it in. I guess eyeline has one that is much thicker. The one I had was thin and folded up nicely.

Found it!  See post below - the golf ring

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You could make a circle with a piece of string.

Cir=2Pi*r=6Pi

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This is it. I need to order another - they have them in a set, too.

Liteweight and folds up nicely.

http://www.thegolfring.com/products.aspx

It looks as if Dave Stockton is endorsing it.

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Originally Posted by David in FL

I practice lag putting by requiring myself to at least 2 putt every lag putt.  It does me no good to get the ball within a given radius from the hole if I can't make the second putt.  Therefore, I always putt the second putt into the hole.  No measuring device needed.

The only real putting practice aid I'll use sometimes is a chalk-line to snap a straight line on the green to help me with alignment and stroke.

That's the point of the drill... to get the ball inside a distance that you should always make, so that you do always 2 putt. His thought process is "always make within 3 feet, so lag it to 3 feet".

It does lots of good to get it within a given radius if you can make it in the radius...

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In Phil's DVD, he just puts tees in the ground in a circular pattern around the cup, using the putter to measure distance from the cup (about 3 feet for most conventional putters).  Pretty cost-effective.

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Originally Posted by Missouri Swede

In Phil's DVD, he just puts tees in the ground in a circular pattern around the cup, using the putter to measure distance from the cup (about 3 feet for most conventional putters).  Pretty cost-effective.

Easier to throw a golfring at it.

I've tried both methods. I tend not to put tees into the ground - all that bending. But whatever works...

With this golfring, it's fairly thin, so it doesn't interfere with the rolling of the ball.

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