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Alright, don't take this the wrong way. I understand the handicap system, why it's needed, what it's good for, etc, etc... However, I HATE net golf. Hate it. If I'm playing somebody with a lower handicap, I REFUSE to take strokes, I'd rather play even up. I think once you reach a certain level (roughly 8.0 or so, "Championship Flight" in most tournaments), that you should play even up.

I do not understand the mentality of guys who play in "Championship Flight" yet still feel that they should get "bumps." If you're at the level where you're playing "Championship Flight" shouldn't you want to play straight up? Isn't this the point where you should have drive and desire to get better and compete with the "big boys?"

That's the way it is for me. I'd much rather play even up against Mini-Tour (or even Tour) level players and not place than get "bumps" and "win" by 1.

I know that this isn't going to be a popular stance, especially with higher handicap golfers, but I'm not talking about you guys. I'm talking mainly about the best players at any given club. I don't understand why they wouldn't prefer to play even up.

Alright, rant over... I'm just venting some frustration after learning that my Club Championship is a Net golf event in the "Championship Flight." Seriously? There is a prize for the low gross golfer but the ultimate "Club Champion" is the low NET golfer from "Championship Flight." It should go without saying that I'm not playing in the tournament this year. I explained my feelings on this with the Pro but he didn't really understand my perspective. Perhaps I'm way off base?

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As a High Handicapper also, I can say that I see both sides.. For straight-up golfing: If you are at a certain handicap... say 5 or so, I think you should accept that you are capable of a bette

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I am a high capper. I play golf against the course and my handicap regardless of the game. I won our club matchplay championship last year by sticking to this mindset. I'm sure it was frustrati

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I agree with you about "winning" with a higher score. It just wouldn't sit right with me for some reason.

But I do understand why they do it, because if there's one guy who's a lot better than everyone else, noone is going to pay to play in the tournament. It encourages participation. That being said, my club championship is not flighted, it's straight up golf with no handicapping.
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I think the handicap system is something that should only be used to rank you among your [insert-golfing-club/group-here], and nothing else. Giving someone strokes or taking strokes yourself makes being a 'good player' pointless. If I play with a handicap adjustment then I must shoot par every time I play! It defeats the purpose of competition; to be the best.

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As a high hc'er I actually completly agree with you. When I go out and play with my buddys I always want to push myself to play to their level. Now i know deep down im not as good as them(YET) but playing without strokes makes me play better. I just join a country club and our championship has a net club champ and a gross club champ(guy who gets parking spot). But yeah I completly agree that especially club championships shouldnt be hc'ed(for the top flight especially).

On another note I still think you should play in it and not just give up cause someone will be getting storkes on you. At least that way if you win youll know you did it even with giving up the extra strokes.

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I can see both sides, golf and bowling have a concept of handicap which tries to even the playing field and encourage participation, but as you said if I can't win straight up, it's not a win. I played tournament racquetball and am a long distance runner, two sports where everyone competes evenly and the best person of the day is the winner straight up. I prefer it that way, but I can see that without some sort of handicapping participation in these events would be limited to just the best players in the club.

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I don't know about your club, but all flights in my club have prizes for low gross and low net. We also do skins by gross and by net. The only thing that's straight-up is closest to the pin on par-3s, and that's by flight but not adjusted for handicap.

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Bigtank Well Established Member

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I agree with you Rebby 100%. It sounds like some of the more influential higher handicapped golfers have gotten in the ear of the pro. That 8.0 wants to park his ride in the Club Champion spot. I have never heard of a club championship - Champions flight being a net score, thats stupid. I could sandbag for a month get my handicap up, and then shoot a 66 and add my 8 strokes...WOW I shot a 58. Sounds silly!

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I agree... and I'd get a bunch of strokes off of you. A buddy of mine showed me his card from the (work) league he plays in. He's an eight and the guy he was playing was a 36. They were playing nine holes, so the guy he's playing gets eighteen strokes and he only gets four. Making up fourteen strokes over nine is pretty hard.

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The tournament is tomorrow. I'm not playing mainly due to the short notice, not so much because of the net format. They didn't notify us about this until Monday and I didn't check the schedule (my fault, I expected the tournament to be at the end of the month). I have plans with the wife and kids this weekend and I missed the deadline to sign up so I'll just be a spectator this year.

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Alright, rant over... I'm just venting some frustration after learning that my Club Championship is a Net golf event in the "Championship Flight." Seriously? There is a prize for the low gross golfer but the ultimate "Club Champion" is the low NET golfer from "Championship Flight." It should go without saying that I'm not playing in the tournament this year. I explained my feelings on this with the Pro but he didn't really understand my perspective. Perhaps I'm way off base?

Ah, I missed this part the first time through. Yes, I agree; Club Champion should be the low gross in the best flight. That's who played the best golf, period, that tournament. Club Net Champion or some such should be reserved for the other guy.

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In our club stroke play championship, as said above - our true champion is the gross champ (you have to choose whether you are playing in gross or net - gross plays from the blues, net from the whites). Match play is played at something like 80% of your handicap - and this year the final was between 2 low cappers.

As far as the other tournaments, all of them are flighted - even though I think the 15-20s are in the same flight as me. But these tourneys have a gross and net winner from the first flight and a net from the others. All handicaps percentages used are based on some USGA formula depending on the format.

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I agree with you. At that certain level where everyone is about the same ability there should be no handicapping. But net scores are a great way for the scratch golfer to compete with the 30 handicapper.

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I agree with you Rebby 100%. It sounds like some of the more influential higher handicapped golfers have gotten in the ear of the pro. That 8.0 wants to park his ride in the Club Champion spot. I have never heard of a club championship - Champions flight being a net score, thats stupid. I could sandbag for a month get my handicap up, and then shoot a 66 and add my 8 strokes...WOW I shot a 58. Sounds silly!

Testify! Low Gross is the champ. Never heard of anything else. It is great to win Low Net in your flight, but you ain't no club champ.

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I think their should be no net, but instead certain skill set leagues, as in if your handicap is 1-5, your in a, 5-10, b.etc... There really is little difference between a 6 handicap and a 8, so lets see who is the better player that day.

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I totally agree. I don't want you to give me 8 strokes when we play. I want to beat you! I can't beat you if you shoot 71 and I shoot 77. To beat you I need to shoot 70 (not likely) - bottom line. That said, I'd be pretty ticked off if I shot better than someone at the Club Championship but he was declared the winner due to net scoring. Likewise, I'd be embarrassed to be crowned the winner when I didn't actually beat you gross.

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That's interesting how the actual club champion is based off a net score. I've never seen that before and it really doesn't make any sense - the champion should be straight up, no handicaps.
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I think their should be no net, but instead certain skill set leagues, as in if your handicap is 1-5, your in a, 5-10, b.etc... There really is little difference between a 6 handicap and a 8, so lets see who is the better player that day.

Great idea! That's how they handle it in racquetball, you have Pro, A, B and C level tournaments you enter at the level you believe you are competitive in. Running awards medals to winners of male and female and age groups, but the race winner is considered the overall winner.

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I can imagine playing in that club championship with my 31.5 index, shooting a 96 and winning net to become CLUB CHAMPION! That's a very funny mental picture.
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