My Swing (iacas)

Finally have a video on YouTube that I can share.

As you can tell from the name of the video, I was trying to achieve a little more of a "Jim Furyk Feeling" on this swing - dorsiflexion of the left wrist on the takeaway (still getting the hands deep), no #3, then lots of #3 from about P3.75 to P4.25... then the follow through is just holding the wedge into a follow through, but frankly, I wasn't that worried about anything after P7.

Full speed, just 300 FPS.

I'm happy with what I'm working on, but feel free to ask any questions you might have.

You bet. Maybe a teeny bit less (this is slightly on the vertical hinging side of things) but the wedge doesn't stay in quite as long on a full swing either.

It's Dave's neighbor's barn, and it's big, but I'm not sure there's room for it. In four years I've never worked on anything from face-on really - my head has always stayed centered, etc. I'm a "down the line" problem guy (in my own swing). ;-)

'Bout the only thing I worry about face-on is sequencing, but that cleans up when I don't overflex the right arm going back.

First, consider looking here:

http://thesandtrap.com/wiki/big-list-of-golf-terminology

Second, here's the really abbreviated version of the words you asked about...

#3 - power accumulator number 3, i.e. rolling the left wrist

dorsiflexion - basically, cupping

deep hands - http://thesandtrap.com/forum/thread/30325/deep-hands-explained

Well, I'd say my "inclination to the ground" is constant, as my "spine angle" is anything but constant in the swing. Martin Hall explains it a bit here.: http://thesandtrap.com/forum/thread/43582/martin-hall-on-the-spine-angle

I play a draw. No looping, no, not at all.

It's a common conception that you have to "release the club" to hit a draw, but the draws I play are hit with a clubface that's open to the target. They have to be open to start the ball to the right of the target. My path is just ever so slightly farther right of that, resulting in a push draw.

Here's another good thread: http://thesandtrap.com/forum/thread/30392/advice-i-hate-release-the-club

And if the PGA Tour hadn't demanded that I remove my video from YouTube, I'd post the Charley Hoffman Winning Draw video... He might release the club even less than I do in this video.

It's like a rave! Where's the ecstasy???? :-)

westcyderydin said:

1) What kind of shot were you working on here?

No specific "shot" of any kind. Just working on the backswing with some wedge work at P7 and into the follow through.

I tend to roll the club under a little bit which makes it flat, then I kick the shaft out a little (steep) on the downswing. So this swing was an attempt to feel the opposite, which is why it's called "Furyk Feeling" - I was trying to go steep to shallow. As you can see, the club never does either of those things. It just stays on plane (within an inch or two at P2) the entire time.

westcyderydin said:

I noticed A. The backswing goes a bit to the outside. B That your stance is open. and C. That your follow through is abbreviated.

A. Barely (if you're talking about the clubhead only). An inch or two which, considering that it's usually a few inches under, I'll take all day. My hands trace their plane just about perfectly, the clubhead gets a tiny bit above.

B. Move the camera and inch or two to the right. I'm not really open, and since I tend to get a teeny bit closed, I'll take it even if I am. :-) Dave wasn't perfectly on my foot line.

C. Of course. As I said, I'm working on a flying wedge in the follow-through.

westcyderydin said:

Not sure what it is you are trying to do here but both A and B are things that ive noticed with my swing and then i wonder if C is because you are working on the (is it CP?) release, because you are hitting a low shot, or if it is because of the net. Oh just saw that you touched on the last part.

I'm not really hitting a low shot... I'm not really hitting any type of shot. This one would have been a fairly average height. Do you have any video of your swing? You don't have a "My Swing" thread here, so I can't see it. Just based on averages it's unlikely you take your hands up the plane so you probably DO get above the plane a little, early, but with the hands and the clubhead both. It's not too bad if just the clubhead does it - look at Rickie Fowler. If I had to pick between the clubhead being above the plane or below the plane (i.e. rolled) on the backswing, I'll take above the plane for almost everyone.

I believe in staying on the plane throughout the golf swing as much as possible, so my exits are really quite good in this video (see the video with lines below).

You should post a video of your swing in a "My Swing" thread.

Nice swing Erik.  I am working on a similar "dynamic" feel.  Do you just feel the shallowing effect with #3?  I have been feeling this by sending my right elbow into pitch from around P3.5

For everyone on here, very important to note how his hands are moving on the backswing, it's perfect.  Like Erik said, they are going inward but also up the elbow plane.  Hands in, gets the shaft to steepen.

That's why this thread's here (for the most part), so happy to answer questions.

If I miss it, point it out to me. I didn't think you had one because none came up in http://www.google.com/search?q=my+swing+(westcyderydin)

The elbow does move into a bit more of a pitch elbow but I have to feel it more with #3, yeah, or else going too pitch elbow can push my left arm out too much. Basically, I feel like I can roll #3 as much as I want from 3.8 to 4.2 because the downward dynamics are going to prevent it from getting too flat. It feels like I'm rolling 3 so much in this swing that the clubface can't possibly be less than 45 degrees open at impact. :-) Obviously it's a bit less than that... ;-)

Fair point, and yes, most people who roll the club under have hands going out. It's difficult to bring the club up on plane if the hands aren't on plane. If you're going to err one way over another, err on the side of taking the hands below the plane and the clubhead above it. I say that because odds are you'll still be the other way, but at least less so - It's a VERY odd sensation to take the clubhead back outside of the hands... and NOT be pushing the clubhead out (i.e. hands also above the plane).

Thanks Dave. Get the courage up soon... nobody here's judgmental about golf swings. Everyone can get better.

Howdy Greg. Glad you've made your way over here. I almost didn't recognize you without the TGM cover as your avatar. :-)

I'd be okay with TSP for someone else depending on their priorities, shot shape, etc., but I personally prefer what I'll call the elbow plane (higher of the two green lines). TSP and elbow plane are awfully darn close. Also, my transition starts a tad sooner... before P3. TSP and elbow plane are probably closer than a lot of people think. The average golfer on TSP has a real hard time maintaining any depth on the downstroke, and I think it's simply an inefficient way to swing unless impact is on TSP as well.

Does it feel like there's lifting? Of the arms away from the body, no. Obviously my hands "lift" by the bending of the right arm but I don't "feel" that much at all, no. And obviously there's hinging the club up, and I do need to feel that more, but that's probably not what you're asking when you say "lifting."

I like to keep the arms (elbows) relatively close to the body and to each other.

For all you know, I was wearing a green shirt. On second thought, no, I can't even pull that off. Those shirts are so green they would have added light to the room and I wouldn't be a silhouette.