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Minimum swing speed for ProV1 or ProV1x

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

I don't lose many balls so I am thinking about upgrading my ball of choice.  But I am not a big hitter so I don't know whether I would get any benefit from a proV1 or equivalent ball with my swing speed.  So what do you think the minimum swing speed would be to get some benefit from the prov1 or prov1x type ball? 

 

And if anyone has a specific recommendation of a premium quality ball for someone with  slower swing I'd be interested.

 

Thanks

 

PS:  I am not stating my swing speed on purpose because I don't want you all to point and laugh at me.  LOL

post #2 of 19
The primary benifit of the Pro V balls is feel, I see plenty of players with slower swing speeds use them cause they are the best when it comes to feel around the greens.
post #3 of 19

I think many golf balls have a soft feel but lack performance (spin) around the greens on partial and delicate shots, half wedges, etc.

 

The ProV1 has a soft feel and spin - some believe it is too much spin around the greens and not predictable for them. As a result, they may go to a similar ball - a 3 to 5 piece urethane covered ball of another brand.

post #4 of 19

If you believe the Titleist adds, there isn't a minimum swing speed for the Pro V1 ball.  I think you should play the ball that best suits your game, are you looking for more feel, more spin, more distance?  Find a premium ball that will help your game.

post #5 of 19

A firmer ball will almost always have a higher ball speed.

 

If you don't spin a Pro V1 or V1x quite enough, that's why you might want a softer ball, but that's about it.

post #6 of 19

I use the ProV1 and my driver swing speed is only ~ 93 mph.  I like it for the stopping power on the greens.  I can get a 7 iron to stop pretty well from 150.  With other balls like the NXT Tour, I would have to plan for twice the roll out.  The ProV1 tends to rise a bit more than the ProV1X for me too and come down a little steeper.

 

If you do switch, chips will check up a bit more than you are used to.  I would suggest buying a sleeve and trying them out.  They are more durable than the NXT Tours as well.  I will use them for as many rounds as possible.  The last one I used for one 18 hole round and three 9 hole rounds until it met its end in the woods.

post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by boogielicious View Post

I use the ProV1 and my driver swing speed is only ~ 93 mph.  I like it for the stopping power on the greens.  I can get a 7 iron to stop pretty well from 150.  With other balls like the NXT Tour, I would have to plan for twice the roll out.  The ProV1 tends to rise a bit more than the ProV1X for me too and come down a little steeper.

 

If you do switch, chips will check up a bit more than you are used to.  I would suggest buying a sleeve and trying them out.  They are more durable than the NXT Tours as well.  I will use them for as many rounds as possible.  The last one I used for one 18 hole round and three 9 hole rounds until it met its end in the woods.

On durability I used one for I think a whole round and then on hole 8 of my next round I mentioned to my buddy hey I played this ball all round at navy and I step up to the Tee and snap hook OB. AWESOME. thinking about it all I did yesterday was jinx myself. "hey larsen if I play the back 9 1 under I will break 80" par birdie par par par, "larsen If I dont get to finish this great round because you have to go to work imma be pissed" Triple bogie double bogie double and double

post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks for all of the replies.
 

post #9 of 19
There are many more factors to consider. Prov 1 and x are incredible balls. The truth is compression is not as much a factor as it used to be. You might gain yardage with a lower compression but studies say about four yards lost or signed. The critical issue is workability around the greens where most of the ake is played. Also...swing speed changes with every club. Working around the green...say...100 yards out, you wouldn't be using a speed of 100 . It's a common mistake to only concentrate on driver distance as the lower compression alls may go a few rads longer but not good around the greens.
Titlest would be out of business if they only produced balls for high swing speed I have played probably every ball over the years and I keep coming back to the pro v's. I have a slw swing speed and in testing other balls I don't seem to lse distance but the performance around the greens is premier.
Again..the idea that slow swing speeds can't hit a tour ball is incorrect. Bridgestone commercials say we can't hit those balls with a slw swing speed..they want to promote their product and would love to get the pro v market.
So..long winded....there's more to consider about your game. At best you use your driver maybe 12 times a round.....what about the rest?

Good luck
post #10 of 19
Thanks....after trying every ball ever made I recently switched to the callaway sr1 that is promoted for swing speed. I gad no fain in distance at all and didn't have the workability around the greens. I always go back to prov's. Golfers who only concentrate on distance off the tee are not getting pars that come about around the green. As he just said......a 100 yard shot in doesn't require a 100 mph swing. Stop believing the ads from manufacturers that would kill to have the prov market. Bridgestone sucks by the way...I tried them Ll and wasted money
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by Steven Sargeant View Post

Thanks....after trying every ball ever made I recently switched to the callaway sr1 that is promoted for swing speed. I gad no fain in distance at all and didn't have the workability around the greens. I always go back to prov's. Golfers who only concentrate on distance off the tee are not getting pars that come about around the green. As he just said......a 100 yard shot in doesn't require a 100 mph swing. Stop believing the ads from manufacturers that would kill to have the prov market. Bridgestone sucks by the way...I tried them Ll and wasted money


I got to test-drive some Bridgestone balls through TheSandTrap.  They were a few yards shorter off the tee than I expected (not much - just a little), but the had good spin and held greens well.  I also found it easier to control the flight of the ball - ProV1 (and ProV1x) have a high ball flight for me.  In Oklahoma, it's nice to be able to keep the ball down and out of the wind when you want to.

 

Per the thread topic: I don't think swing speed matters that much *unless* you have a really high swing speed.  If you do, then you can play different options and notice bigger differences. If you don't have a high swing speed, then... no worries, a Wilson Smartcore might be just as good as a ProV1.  One area where I think it does matter is for slicers.  A high-spin ball sure seems to exaggerate my faults.

post #12 of 19
Im using the B330 Bridgestone's. I like them as much as proV-1's. For me its more important how they feel off the putter and the Bridgestone's are good. I was using the e5's which are decent but not as soft as the 330's. I do feel like the proV's spin more than the 330's but for me that's not necessarily the best thing when I'm hitting my driver.
post #13 of 19

I believe swing speed does matter.  How can it not?  Think about what happens when a ball is hit...a certain amount of force is applied to the ball which results in it being flattened (deformed).  This deformation is how energy from the clubhead is transferred to the ball.  If a player uses a ball that is too firm for their swing speed the ball will not deform as much so it won't store as much energy. 

 

 

 

The ball will be compressed the most with the driver and fairway woods.  The more it's compressed the higher it tends to launch and the less spin it will have.  As shots get shorter, the ball isn't compressed as much which makes it perform differently.  On partial wedge shots and around the green only the cover is engaged which will increase the spin.  On iron shots it's obviously between those two extremes, and the ball is designed to perform for that type of shot.  This is where I find flaw with Titleist's message...they claim that "a golf ball must perform for all golfers of all swing speeds on all shots" and use the analogy that if it works for a tour player, his 5 iron swing speed is about the same as an amateur with a moderate driver swing speed, so it will work just as well for the amateur.  This is the "in between" compression that I mentioned which will make the amateur's driver shots perform more like an iron shot (usually lower launching with more spin).  It's not just about distance...it's about getting the ball to perform the way that it's supposed to and having an efficient trajectory which is important when playing in various conditions and for consistency.  If you only partially compress the ball, you'll only get partial performance.

post #14 of 19

If it made very much difference what the club head speed is we would all be screwed the majority of the time unless we changed golf balls for every club in the bag and every time we hit a less than full shot.

 

Pretty much all of us find a ball we think works best with a driver and our top club head speed or find a ball that feels best to us on approach shots. Whatever we base it on it's not like we fall apart when using that ball for other shots.

 

The same Pro V1 that I hit with a driver works just fine and feels just fine if I'm hitting it with a 3W, 5W, Hybrid, or any iron (and those certainly don't all have the same club head speeds of compress/ deform the ball the same way).

 

For the most part much ado about nothing.

post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by 1badbadger View Post
 

I believe swing speed does matter. How can it not? Think about what happens when a ball is hit...a certain amount of force is applied to the ball which results in it being flattened (deformed). This deformation is how energy from the clubhead is transferred to the ball.  If a player uses a ball that is too firm for their swing speed the ball will not deform as much so it won't store as much energy. 

 

It will still rebound faster than that same slower swing speed with a SOFTER golf ball. As I said before:

 

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Originally Posted by iacas View Post
 

A firmer ball will almost always have a higher ball speed.

 

If you don't spin a Pro V1 or V1x quite enough, that's why you might want a softer ball, but that's about it.

 

For example:

 

Clubhead Speed Ball Speed (Pro V1) Ball Speed (Super Soft Ball)
110 MPH 162.8 MPH 150.7
80 MPH 118.4 MPH 109.6

 

The firmer ball will always come off the clubface faster. The more you deform a ball, the more energy is lost to that deformation (and re-formation). Softer balls lose more energy than firmer balls, regardless of the swing speed.

post #16 of 19

I do not believe that you need an exceptionally high SS to play the Prov1 series.  I have an 85-90 SS with my driver, and when I make an excellent swing (for me) the Prov1x travels a long distance.  Also, with my relatively low SS I can spin the Prov1x on an approach and stop it on a dime, which by the way I do not like since I do not carry my irons that long and want 8-10 feet of roll.  The Prov1x can also turn my slight fade into a stronger fade and put me in the rough.  But these are my own swing characteristics and why I do not play the ProV series, but having enough SS is not a problem for me and the ball.

post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post
 

 

It will still rebound faster than that same slower swing speed with a SOFTER golf ball. As I said before:

 

 

For example:

 

Clubhead Speed Ball Speed (Pro V1) Ball Speed (Super Soft Ball)
110 MPH 162.8 MPH 150.7
80 MPH 118.4 MPH 109.6

 

The firmer ball will always come off the clubface faster. The more you deform a ball, the more energy is lost to that deformation (and re-formation). Softer balls lose more energy than firmer balls, regardless of the swing speed.

 

iacis, to make sure I understand what you are saying, is the part of the chart that I put in bold with the "super soft ball" supposed to say ball speed instead of clubhead speed?

post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by 1badbadger View Post
 

iacis, to make sure I understand what you are saying, is the part of the chart that I put in bold with the "super soft ball" supposed to say ball speed instead of clubhead speed?

 

Yes, sorry, I fixed it now.

 

A softer ball loses more energy at any clubhead speed than a firmer one.

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