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Winter killed all the greens in the northeast!!!

post #1 of 28
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I have played four different golf courses, and all of them have had significant winter kill. After talking to a few other people, it appears almost every golf course in the area has damage. At least in the 50 mile radius from me.

 

Any other location in the country have similar issues?

 

It is horrible to play on and I don't know if I should post scores on greens like this....

post #2 of 28
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Originally Posted by Valleygolfer View Post
 

I have played four different golf courses, and all of them have had significant winter kill. After talking to a few other people, it appears almost every golf course in the area has damage. At least in the 50 mile radius from me.

 

Any other location in the country have similar issues?

 

It is horrible to play on and I don't know if I should post scores on greens like this....

That stinks, do you have any pictures?  We did not have too much winter kill here in WI, considering how bad the winter was.

post #3 of 28
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Originally Posted by Valleygolfer View Post
 

I have played four different golf courses, and all of them have had significant winter kill. After talking to a few other people, it appears almost every golf course in the area has damage. At least in the 50 mile radius from me.

 

Any other location in the country have similar issues?

 

It is horrible to play on and I don't know if I should post scores on greens like this....

 

We didn't have any of that in Ohio. That is the first time I actually heard of Winter Kill for turf. 

post #4 of 28
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Originally Posted by Valleygolfer View Post
 

I have played four different golf courses, and all of them have had significant winter kill. After talking to a few other people, it appears almost every golf course in the area has damage. At least in the 50 mile radius from me.

 

Any other location in the country have similar issues?

 

It is horrible to play on and I don't know if I should post scores on greens like this....


Anybody with Bermuda greens around here that didn't keep them covered has absolutely no greens right now.

 

At the course where I work we seeded back with bent grass last week so the course is closed.

 

The courses with bent grass greens are in great shape.

 

Courses that left their Bermuda fairways mowed too closely before the winter now have no live fairway grass at all.

 

In the cases of Bermuda it's not like some patchy winter kill that would eventually fill back in but completely dead across the entire green. Weather is still not cooperating because to get Bermuda to grow the ground temp needs to be 70 degrees and last week's cold spell made the choice to go back to bent grass about the only option unless we wanted to be down until July.

post #5 of 28
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Originally Posted by MS256 View Post
 


Anybody with Bermuda greens around here that didn't keep them covered has absolutely no greens right now.

 

At the course where I work we seeded back with bent grass last week so the course is closed.

 

The courses with bent grass greens are in great shape.

 

Courses that left their Bermuda fairways mowed too closely before the winter now have no live fairway grass at all.

 

In the cases of Bermuda it's not like some patchy winter kill that would eventually fill back in but completely dead across the entire green. Weather is still not cooperating because to get Bermuda to grow the ground temp needs to be 70 degrees and last week's cold spell made the choice to go back to bent grass about the only option unless we wanted to be down until July.

 

Wow.  I'm sorry to hear that!  It's amazing the difference a couple hundred miles south makes. 

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Wow.  I'm sorry to hear that!  It's amazing the difference a couple hundred miles south makes. 


Yeah there's even a pretty substantial climate change 40 or 50 miles south and off of the mountain. The worst part is that our course hangs on by a thread fiscally anyway so not good timing.

 

In hindsight the choice to go to Bermuda was a terrible choice for this location.

post #7 of 28

Well, here in Vermont, I have only been to the course once, to the range and the practice green, and it was horrific. I couldn't find any clear paths to any of the holes of any distance to practice, so I watched my ball bounce like one of those lottery balls on most of the putts. It was fine last year. I am going to play a round later this week, and if they are all like this, I guess I will still play, but I have some friends coming up and told them to bring their clubs, now I am not so sure.

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Wow.  I'm sorry to hear that!  It's amazing the difference a couple hundred miles south makes. 


@David in FL It is also amazing how many different ways you can be a db down there! :beer:

 

@cipher I didn't take any. I almost did but then thought otherwise because it was ugly. Every green was patchy and had large areas of dead spots. Also they are not mowing them either. A good 1/2 inch of growth in places.

post #9 of 28

its bad here too, Albany area of NY.  there are giant swatches of fairway that are yellow and dead.  like someone dumped buckets of groundclear on random areas of the course.  there are swatches similar on greens too.  no idea why.

post #10 of 28

Southern New Hampshire courses have been looking somewhat decent to be honest. The driving range looked beautiful yesterday that's for sure. 

post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by Valleygolfer View Post
 


@David in FL It is also amazing how many different ways you can be a db down there! :beer:

 

@cipher I didn't take any. I almost did but then thought otherwise because it was ugly. Every green was patchy and had large areas of dead spots. Also they are not mowing them either. A good 1/2 inch of growth in places.

 

LOL....  Sorry, I really didn't mean that to come off like it probably did.  :doh: 

 

It really sucks that a course all the way down in AL got damaged like that.  I never would have expected that.  :-(

post #12 of 28

I've played four different courses in MA, NH so far, Trull Brook, Hickory Hill, Woburn and Scottish Highlands.  Most of the greens appear OK, but each course has one or two with some issue.  When new growth comes in, I hope those greens will recover.

post #13 of 28

I have played Buckmeadow, Amherst and Souhegan as of right now. The courses have all more or less looked nice. Some continuing construction from last year has maybe been affected but that is about it. I was too busy getting pissed with my 5 iron to notice.

post #14 of 28
I was visiting home a few weeks ago (Rochester, NY) and the greens were actually in really good shape at the two courses I played.

Sorry to hear some areas took a beating
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by MS256 View Post
 


Anybody with Bermuda greens around here that didn't keep them covered has absolutely no greens right now.

 

At the course where I work we seeded back with bent grass last week so the course is closed.

 

The courses with bent grass greens are in great shape.

 

Courses that left their Bermuda fairways mowed too closely before the winter now have no live fairway grass at all.

 

In the cases of Bermuda it's not like some patchy winter kill that would eventually fill back in but completely dead across the entire green. Weather is still not cooperating because to get Bermuda to grow the ground temp needs to be 70 degrees and last week's cold spell made the choice to go back to bent grass about the only option unless we wanted to be down until July.

 

 

That is surprising to hear. Here in Virginia, the Bermuda has taken a bit longer than usual to grow but it's all doing fine now on every course I play.

post #16 of 28

It has happen here in the north east many times. Courses that have Poa usually are the ones that have the damage. Its a combo of crown hydration and no gas exchange due to ice.

post #17 of 28

" no gas exchange due to ice."

 

That sounds right. We had an ice storm in December that left such a thick layer of ice you could drive on top of the snow, and it didn't go away until March.

post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by wils5150 View Post
 

It has happen here in the north east many times. Courses that have Poa usually are the ones that have the damage. Its a combo of crown hydration and no gas exchange due to ice.

How can you tell if the greens are Poa @wils5150 ?  I thought bent was more preferable in the Northeast.

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