• Announcements

    • iacas

      Introducing TST "Clubs!"   08/28/2017

      No, we're not getting into the equipment business, but we do have "clubs" here on TST now. Groups. Check them out here:
Sign in to follow this  
Valleygolfer

Winter killed all the greens in the northeast!!!

Recommended Posts

Valleygolfer    311

I have played four different golf courses, and all of them have had significant winter kill. After talking to a few other people, it appears almost every golf course in the area has damage. At least in the 50 mile radius from me.

Any other location in the country have similar issues?

It is horrible to play on and I don't know if I should post scores on greens like this....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

cipher    390

I have played four different golf courses, and all of them have had significant winter kill. After talking to a few other people, it appears almost every golf course in the area has damage. At least in the 50 mile radius from me.

Any other location in the country have similar issues?

It is horrible to play on and I don't know if I should post scores on greens like this....

That stinks, do you have any pictures?  We did not have too much winter kill here in WI, considering how bad the winter was.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

saevel25    1,075

I have played four different golf courses, and all of them have had significant winter kill. After talking to a few other people, it appears almost every golf course in the area has damage. At least in the 50 mile radius from me.

Any other location in the country have similar issues?

It is horrible to play on and I don't know if I should post scores on greens like this....

We didn't have any of that in Ohio. That is the first time I actually heard of Winter Kill for turf.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

MS256    145
I have played four different golf courses, and all of them have had significant winter kill. After talking to a few other people, it appears almost every golf course in the area has damage. At least in the 50 mile radius from me.

Any other location in the country have similar issues?

It is horrible to play on and I don't know if I should post scores on greens like this....


Anybody with Bermuda greens around here that didn't keep them covered has absolutely no greens right now.

At the course where I work we seeded back with bent grass last week so the course is closed.

The courses with bent grass greens are in great shape.

Courses that left their Bermuda fairways mowed too closely before the winter now have no live fairway grass at all.

In the cases of Bermuda it's not like some patchy winter kill that would eventually fill back in but completely dead across the entire green. Weather is still not cooperating because to get Bermuda to grow the ground temp needs to be 70 degrees and last week's cold spell made the choice to go back to bent grass about the only option unless we wanted to be down until July.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

David in FL    1,523

Anybody with Bermuda greens around here that didn't keep them covered has absolutely no greens right now.

At the course where I work we seeded back with bent grass last week so the course is closed.

The courses with bent grass greens are in great shape.

Courses that left their Bermuda fairways mowed too closely before the winter now have no live fairway grass at all.

In the cases of Bermuda it's not like some patchy winter kill that would eventually fill back in but completely dead across the entire green. Weather is still not cooperating because to get Bermuda to grow the ground temp needs to be 70 degrees and last week's cold spell made the choice to go back to bent grass about the only option unless we wanted to be down until July.

Wow.  I'm sorry to hear that!  It's amazing the difference a couple hundred miles south makes.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

MS256    145

Wow.  I'm sorry to hear that!  It's amazing the difference a couple hundred miles south makes.


Yeah there's even a pretty substantial climate change 40 or 50 miles south and off of the mountain. The worst part is that our course hangs on by a thread fiscally anyway so not good timing.

In hindsight the choice to go to Bermuda was a terrible choice for this location.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Moppy    30

Well, here in Vermont, I have only been to the course once, to the range and the practice green, and it was horrific. I couldn't find any clear paths to any of the holes of any distance to practice, so I watched my ball bounce like one of those lottery balls on most of the putts. It was fine last year. I am going to play a round later this week, and if they are all like this, I guess I will still play, but I have some friends coming up and told them to bring their clubs, now I am not so sure.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Valleygolfer    311

Wow.  I'm sorry to hear that!  It's amazing the difference a couple hundred miles south makes.


@David in FL It is also amazing how many different ways you can be a db down there! :beer:

@cipher I didn't take any. I almost did but then thought otherwise because it was ugly. Every green was patchy and had large areas of dead spots. Also they are not mowing them either. A good 1/2 inch of growth in places.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

colin007    431

its bad here too, Albany area of NY.  there are giant swatches of fairway that are yellow and dead.  like someone dumped buckets of groundclear on random areas of the course.  there are swatches similar on greens too.  no idea why.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

jakepalm    3

Southern New Hampshire courses have been looking somewhat decent to be honest. The driving range looked beautiful yesterday that's for sure.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

David in FL    1,523

@David in FL It is also amazing how many different ways you can be a db down there!

@cipher I didn't take any. I almost did but then thought otherwise because it was ugly. Every green was patchy and had large areas of dead spots. Also they are not mowing them either. A good 1/2 inch of growth in places.

LOL....  Sorry, I really didn't mean that to come off like it probably did. :doh:

It really sucks that a course all the way down in AL got damaged like that.  I never would have expected that. :-(

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

boogielicious    1,159

I've played four different courses in MA, NH so far, Trull Brook, Hickory Hill, Woburn and Scottish Highlands.  Most of the greens appear OK, but each course has one or two with some issue.  When new growth comes in, I hope those greens will recover.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

jakepalm    3

I have played Buckmeadow, Amherst and Souhegan as of right now. The courses have all more or less looked nice. Some continuing construction from last year has maybe been affected but that is about it. I was too busy getting pissed with my 5 iron to notice.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

tefunk    17
I was visiting home a few weeks ago (Rochester, NY) and the greens were actually in really good shape at the two courses I played. Sorry to hear some areas took a beating

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

skydog    108

Anybody with Bermuda greens around here that didn't keep them covered has absolutely no greens right now.

At the course where I work we seeded back with bent grass last week so the course is closed.

The courses with bent grass greens are in great shape.

Courses that left their Bermuda fairways mowed too closely before the winter now have no live fairway grass at all.

In the cases of Bermuda it's not like some patchy winter kill that would eventually fill back in but completely dead across the entire green. Weather is still not cooperating because to get Bermuda to grow the ground temp needs to be 70 degrees and last week's cold spell made the choice to go back to bent grass about the only option unless we wanted to be down until July.

That is surprising to hear. Here in Virginia, the Bermuda has taken a bit longer than usual to grow but it's all doing fine now on every course I play.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

wils5150    4

It has happen here in the north east many times. Courses that have Poa usually are the ones that have the damage. Its a combo of crown hydration and no gas exchange due to ice.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Moppy    30

" no gas exchange due to ice. "

That sounds right. We had an ice storm in December that left such a thick layer of ice you could drive on top of the snow, and it didn't go away until March.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

boogielicious    1,159
It has happen here in the north east many times. Courses that have Poa usually are the ones that have the damage. Its a combo of crown hydration and no gas exchange due to ice.

How can you tell if the greens are Poa @wils5150 ?  I thought bent was more preferable in the Northeast.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

Sign in to follow this  



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2017 TST Partners

    Talamore Golf Resort
    PING Golf
    FlightScope Mevo
    Mission Belt
    Snell Golf
    Frogger Golf
    PitchFix USA
  • Popular Now

  • Posts

    • If you find the course fairly empty on an afternoon, play some holes and practice situationals. Do you have a hole with four greenside bunkers that you often bogie? Well, drop two or three balls in each bunker and see how close to the pin you can get. You may realize that the 56* is ideal for three, but the fourth bunker requires a 60* because you need to get the ball up quickly. Do you have a dogleg that gives you trouble? Hit a couple of shots each with a driver, 3W and hybrid, see which one sets you up best for the second shot. A short par 4 dogleg right that lasers out to 190 yards at the corner. Can you readily get the ball up high enough to cut the corner and get an easy chip for up and down? Try it with driver and 3W and see if it works. If you normally fade the ball, can you hit a teeshot draw into a fairway that drains all the tee shots off to the right? Try it out during on-course practice.
    • As you know, Chuck, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. Playing for scores/tracking handicap hasn't interested me as much the past couple of years, because I just know I've got some fundamental things wrong going on with my swing. I have felt that if I can just make a big breakthrough with my mechanics that my new baseline will be better than the "bogey golf" standard that I've typically played to, without lessons. I've played on and off my whole life un-seriously, and I've always been about the same. Then again, why would I get better if I'm not really changing anything? I decided that my home-grown "swing my swing" mechanics have hit their limit, so I've been pretty determined to just do what it takes to get better. It has definitely been more difficult than I had thought it would be, but I think I'm improving and changing things- even if not as fast as I had hoped. If nothing else, I'm certainly aware of what I need to do more than I was! I won't always favor practice over playing, and I'm still hoping for a breakthrough (sooner rather than later- perhaps months away) where I'll be happy again to get out there and play as much as I practice. Hopefully more. You've seen all the threads on practice and learning, but I'll include the couple that keep me motivated below. Like Erik is saying, it's not a secret.  I find it motivating to put into practice the ideas about making changes "unconscious" in the thread about stages of learning. If that's not motivating to you, I guess I don't know what to say. It just keeps me going and is as simple as that. In my mind, if you don't really seek out to change something, there's little chance you'll be advancing your game to where you want it long-term.  
    • I like the ideas you mentioned above... especially the 18 holes of up & down from various, difficult lies.  

      As for the short game, right now it's definitely hurting my scores.  Prior to this weekend, I went over my last 17 scorecards and I counted 53 putts from 6 feet and in that I missed over those 17 rounds.  A lot of them were 3 and 4 feet.  I didn't bother going through the short game misses, but I can count at least 8 times over the 2 rounds I played this weekend where I was greenside (or close to it) and I hit especially poor shots.  

      Overall, I converted just 1 of 15 up & down opportunities for the 2 day tournament and I finished 8 strokes behind the winner.  It's been a weakness for awhile.  I took a short game lesson the Friday before last that has me at least making clean contact and not hitting it fat anymore... but my tendency now is to hit it 15 - 25 feet past the hole.

      I'm gonna play 18 tomorrow morning and then on Wednesday morning before meetings, I'm gonna spend some time at the short game area and I'll try out what you listed.  That should keep me engaged.  

      I've got a 3 day member guest event Thursday, Friday and Saturday... so, I'll have plenty of on course time too.  

      Thanks for the suggestions.  Simple, but not something I would have thought of doing on my own.  It's in my wheelhouse too because I like to keep scores and stats, so... I can do that with an up & down challenge like that.

      CY
    • Why? You could just welch on the bet like you did here.</burn>
    • Hate the arm position here too. Shoulders very flat. Ugh.
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Blog Entries

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. Dresilved
      Dresilved
      (52 years old)
    2. kpetrina
      kpetrina
      (25 years old)
    3. Luana
      Luana
      (39 years old)
  • Get Great Gear with Amazon