Daily Rules Question II

[dennyjones]

But such practice strokes must not be made from a bunker and must not unreasonably delay play (see Rule 5.6a).

 

ROG: 5-5b

[Missouri Swede]

1 minute ago, dennyjones said:

But such practice strokes must not be made from a bunker and must not unreasonably delay play (see Rule 5.6a).

 

ROG: 5-5b

No ball = no stroke

[dennyjones]

2 hours ago, Missouri Swede said:

No ball = no stroke

Interesting thought.  

[Asheville]

3 hours ago, dennyjones said:

Interesting thought.  

It comes from here, Denny:

Rule 5.5 Practising During Round or While Play Is Stopped

a. No Practice Strokes While Playing Hole - While playing a hole, a player must not make a practice stroke at any ball on or off the course.

These are not practice strokes:

A practice swing made with no intent to strike a ball.

Hitting a ball back to a practice area or to another player, when done solely as a courtesy.

Strokes made by a player in playing out a hole whose result has been decided.

[dennyjones]

So after I've played a hole, if time allows, I can get into a bunker and swing away as long as I don't have a ball?   Of course, raking after I'm done..

[fredf]

10 hours ago, Missouri Swede said:

Except the question is about a practice swing.
Rule 5.5b discusses a practice stroke. A stroke is the forward movement of the club made to strike the ball. If there is no ball, is it still a stroke? “Striking a tee or natural object with a club (such as a stone or a pine cone) is not a practice stroke.” (Interpretation of 5.5a/1)

Quite right. Let me join you in redefining the consensus, answer True.

It's a nice question, our brains are hard-wired to go "no-one takes practice swings in a bunker after a hole is finished, it must mean stroke".

[Asheville]

2 hours ago, dennyjones said:

So after I've played a hole, if time allows, I can get into a bunker and swing away as long as I don't have a ball?   Of course, raking after I'm done..

So it seems. 😀

I'm playing with my group on Wednesday. They're vaguely familiar with the Rules, perhaps I'll try it out on them.

Edited March 16, 2020 by Asheville

[Asheville]

In stroke play, a player's ball comes to rest on a puddle of rain water in a penalty area. The player drops a ball within 1 club-length of the nearest point of complete relief within the penalty area and plays a stroke. Which is correct?
    A.    The player proceeded correctly.
    B.    The player gets 1 penalty stroke for taking unplayable ball relief.
    C.    The player gets 1 penalty stroke for taking relief from the penalty area and 2 penalty strokes for playing from a wrong place.

[fredf]

1 hour ago, Asheville said:

In stroke play, a player's ball comes to rest on a puddle of rain water in a penalty area. The player drops a ball within 1 club-length of the nearest point of complete relief within the penalty area and plays a stroke. Which is correct?
    A.    The player proceeded correctly.
    B.    The player gets 1 penalty stroke for taking unplayable ball relief.
    C.    The player gets 1 penalty stroke for taking relief from the penalty area and 2 penalty strokes for playing from a wrong place.

C

[dagolfer18]

1 hour ago, Asheville said:

In stroke play, a player's ball comes to rest on a puddle of rain water in a penalty area. The player drops a ball within 1 club-length of the nearest point of complete relief within the penalty area and plays a stroke. Which is correct?
    A.    The player proceeded correctly.
    B.    The player gets 1 penalty stroke for taking unplayable ball relief.
    C.    The player gets 1 penalty stroke for taking relief from the penalty area and 2 penalty strokes for playing from a wrong place.

C

[dennyjones]

1 hour ago, Asheville said:

In stroke play, a player's ball comes to rest on a puddle of rain water in a penalty area. The player drops a ball within 1 club-length of the nearest point of complete relief within the penalty area and plays a stroke. Which is correct?
    A.    The player proceeded correctly.
    B.    The player gets 1 penalty stroke for taking unplayable ball relief.
    C.    The player gets 1 penalty stroke for taking relief from the penalty area and 2 penalty strokes for playing from a wrong place.

C

[Asheville]

1.  A player's putt from on a putting green hits a pine cone and is deflected into the hole. The player then tees off the next hole. 
    A.    There is no penalty.
    B.    The player is disqualified because the putt should have been cancelled and replayed.
    C.    There is a 2 stroke penalty and the ball is holed.

2.  A player putts his or her ball from the putting green. The ball deflects off a live insect into the hole. The ball is considered holed. 
    A.    True
    B.    False

[bkuehn1952]

I'll give this a try.  I have "hidden" my response so my incorrect advice doesn't influence anyone else.

Spoiler

 

1. A - the pine cone is a loose impediment and no penalty for the deflection

2. B - False.  A live insect is an outside agent and a putt deflected by an outside agent must be replayed.

 

 

Edited March 17, 2020 by bkuehn1952

[dagolfer18]

57 minutes ago, Asheville said:

1.  A player's putt from on a putting green hits a pine cone and is deflected into the hole. The player then tees off the next hole. 
    A.    There is no penalty.
    B.    The player is disqualified because the putt should have been cancelled and replayed.
    C.    There is a 2 stroke penalty and the ball is holed.

2.  A player putts his or her ball from the putting green. The ball deflects off a live insect into the hole. The ball is considered holed. 
    A.    True
    B.    False

1. A

2. A

[DaveP043]

1 hour ago, Asheville said:

1.  A player's putt from on a putting green hits a pine cone and is deflected into the hole. The player then tees off the next hole. 
    A.    There is no penalty.
    B.    The player is disqualified because the putt should have been cancelled and replayed.
    C.    There is a 2 stroke penalty and the ball is holed.

2.  A player putts his or her ball from the putting green. The ball deflects off a live insect into the hole. The ball is considered holed. 
    A.    True
    B.    False

Like @bkuehn1952, I'll hide my answer to avoid influencing anyone:

Spoiler

11.1b Exception 2.  A ball played on the putting green hits any person, animal, or movable obstruction, it must be replayed from its original spot.  So the answer to question 2 is False. A Pine Cone is not a movable obstruction, obstructions are artificial objects, to in Question 1 the ball must be played as it lies, e.i. it is holed, with no penalty.

 

[fredf]

1 hour ago, bkuehn1952 said:

I'll give this a try.  I have "hidden" my response so my incorrect advice doesn't influence anyone else.

  Hide contents

 

1. A - the pine cone is a loose impediment and no penalty for the deflection

2. B - False.  A live insect is an outside agent and a putt deflected by an outside agent must be replayed.

 

 

Explanation for 2 is inaccurate, the phrase "outside agent" has no role in the relevant rule, R11.1b, Exception 2. Swap it out for "animal" and you're good.

[Missouri Swede]

2 hours ago, Asheville said:

1.  A player's putt from on a putting green hits a pine cone and is deflected into the hole. The player then tees off the next hole. 
    A.    There is no penalty.
    B.    The player is disqualified because the putt should have been cancelled and replayed.
    C.    There is a 2 stroke penalty and the ball is holed.

2.  A player putts his or her ball from the putting green. The ball deflects off a live insect into the hole. The ball is considered holed. 
    A.    True
    B.    False

Spoiler

1. A. It hit a loose impediment.

2. B. Live insect is an outside influence. Must replay the stroke.

 

[dennyjones]

I really appreciate that you guys are hiding your guess.   Thanks.