Transition Problems

[Lane Holt]

Klineka,

    Ok - then take 1 inch from the measurements I posted . Take off ever how many you want . That doesn’t change my point . 
  Thanks for your correction! 

 

[Double Mocha Man]

7 minutes ago, klineka said:

WTF are you talking about?? He's listed at 6'1"

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Didn't he play center on the Stanford basketball team?

[saevel25]

1 minute ago, Lane Holt said:

Klineka,

    Ok - then take 1 inch from the measurements I posted . Take off ever how many you want . That doesn’t change my point . 
  Thanks for your correction! 

 

Well it does, your clear lack of factual knowledge just means you are making shit up. So again I ask, can I have what you are smoking? Man, the shit you make up is crazy. 

[woodzie264]

48 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

Klineka,

    Ok - then take 1 inch from the measurements I posted . Take off ever how many you want . That doesn’t change my point . 
  Thanks for your correction! 

 

For someone claiming to know they are talking about, you’re making some blatantly false statements.

At this point you’re making yourself look less knowledgeable with each post

[GolfLug]

32 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

Klineka,

    Ok - then take 1 inch from the measurements I posted . Take off ever how many you want . That doesn’t change my point . 
  Thanks for your correction! 

 

You said something about hands/body/brain connection. Sure, whatever. Applies to all things we do. 

I honestly don't wan to dismiss what you are saying assuming you are may be simply having difficulty expressing it step by step. 

What is your point in relation to a golf swing? How does the TW illustration prove it, and ultimately what are you trying to 'teach' us? What would you like someone DO to hit a golf ball with proper club-path and square club face? 

Can you layout what happens or what should one do at each position from A1 to A8? 

[Vinsk]

43 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

Klineka,

    Ok - then take 1 inch from the measurements I posted . Take off ever how many you want . That doesn’t change my point . 
  Thanks for your correction! 

 

Is this Patrick again?

[iacas]

2 hours ago, Lane Holt said:

Iacas,

https://thesandtrap.com/how-to/mention-members/

2 hours ago, Lane Holt said:

Actually , the explanation i used is exactly how the human brain sees itself.

The brain doesn't "see itself," and you aren't even really keeping things straight. Nobody has talked about how the brain "sees itself," and you've talked about (and thus far seemingly made up things) about how the brain can't process what the right elbow does (or whatever).

I taught several lessons today. Two of them were about the right elbow. The people had no problems thinking about elevating the right elbow, or doing what I asked them to do with the right elbow.

People can think about their left pinkie toe during the golf swing if they want.

2 hours ago, Lane Holt said:

Anyone  who cares to take the time can  easily confirm this for themselves by studying the research and discoveries of Dr. Wilder Penfield done in the 1900 ‘s - Cortical Homunculus *.

I know what a cortical homunculus is.

Its relevance to the golf swing… is limited.

2 hours ago, Lane Holt said:

And - I know exactly what I was talking about . I would be pleased  to debate you on any subject I post about what I consider are facts!

You've said a lot of bogus stuff, man.

Your time here will be much shorter than it was on GolfWRX if you continue down this path.

1 hour ago, klineka said:

A number of claims you have made today alone that you have yet to back up

• It is the turning of the torso ( inner circle ) that squares the face, not the hands!

Yeah, that's a good one. A ton of golfers will palmar flex or do some other things to help them square the face, and many other golfers who rotate through the ball will leave the face wide open or over-close it.

1 hour ago, klineka said:

• Knowledge of human genetics is the major key to a successful golf swing

Yeah, that's a funny one. Dustin Johnson, master of human genetics knowledge!

1 hour ago, klineka said:

• Every great player drops their hands down back behind their torso at the very start of their DS before the rotation of their shoulders begins

I'm still trying to figure out what in the hell direction "behind" is.

1 hour ago, klineka said:

That being said, why would you expect Erik, or anyone else on this site to debate you when you don't even acknowledge our questions and refuse to back up your claims? Suddenly if the format was a formalized debate setting instead of an online forum you would be ready to back up your claims with facts? I highly doubt that.

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1 hour ago, Lane Holt said:

Tiger Woods is approx. 6 ft . 10 inches tall.

My IQ is approx. 248.

1 hour ago, Lane Holt said:

Could we agree that his hands at the very top / end of his BS are approx. 6 ft. 6 inches to 7 feet ( close enough for me point ) vertical from the ground?

What does this have to do with anything else about which you've prattled thus far?

1 hour ago, Lane Holt said:

Question - was TW ‘s intent to release , hit or throw with his hands ? Since the normal reaction time for a human is 1/10 second - could that be possible for any human ? If not, what squared his clubface????

You don't think he can cup or palmar flex his left wrist from A4-A6?

[Lane Holt]

No sir, I don’t! If you closely observe his HANDS you will notice that the palm of his right hand is facing directly away from his torso and obviously the back of his left hand is facing in the same direction . This indicates that he was PULLING his lever down with the strongest parts of his hands - that part that Karate experts use to break brick - the butts ! His intent could not have been to square the face with his hands . That would be impossible for a human .    If TW ‘s intent was to square the face with his hands it would have been necessary for him to perform that way before this position. Any effort to apply power during the DS with the hands is disastrous. The HANDS control the action , but they must not be allowed to hit , throw or release. That requires timing and everyone knows what that brings.
      His has trained his hands ( particularly his dominant right) to perform in a  manner that is totally opposite to the human genetics design . And he did I better than anybody else .

I welcome debate from anyone who would like to question my info, but I am not interested in any childish personal attacks towards me . I ignore those !
 

[Vinsk]

46 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

human genetics design

[iacas]

15 hours ago, iacas said:

You don't think he can cup or palmar flex his left wrist from A4-A6?

49 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

No sir, I don’t! If you closely observe his HANDS you will notice that the palm of his right hand is facing directly away from his torso and obviously the back of his left hand is facing in the same direction . This indicates that he was PULLING his lever down with the strongest parts of his hands - that part that Karate experts use to break brick - the butts!

Let's be clear about something, @Lane Holt. This is the question I asked. I did not ask if he DID do either of those things, I asked if he could in those 0.2 seconds.

Because many players do those things in that time.

Dustin Johnson goes from extremely palmar flexed to fairly neutral (flat) around impact.

Matt Wolff goes from extended to flexed from A4 to A6.

He does so largely so he can "square the face." George Gankas has talked about it, he's talked about it. It's his intent, and he does it.

49 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

That would be impossible for a human.

Add "impossible" to the list of words to which you don't seem to understand the definition.

49 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

His has trained his hands ( particularly his dominant right) to perform in a  manner that is totally opposite to the human genetics design . And he did I better than anybody else.

Oh brother.

You don't welcome debate, man. You can't even quote the person to whom you're replying. People have asked you for evidence, proof, pointed out that you don't use words properly… and you just ignore them and move on. That's not a debate - that's intellectual dishonesty.

The rules for you going forward:

• If you're going to respond to someone, quote them. If you're only replying to a bit of what they're saying, quote that part only, so long as it's not leaving out the context, or quote the whole thing but bold only the part you're replying to.
• You'll make an effort to actually engage with and discuss the posts others are making. If they take the time to say something to you, to attempt to engage in an actual debate with you, you will honor their time by responding. Debates are not just you lecturing and ignoring all questions, all feedback. There's got to be a bit of reciprocity.

Fail to do those two simple things and your time here will be short, because this isn't a platform for lectures without engagement, without discussion, without debate. To allow that is to waste everyone's time.

[Lane Holt]

Iacas,

    I thought I answered that adequately in the first words of my previous post ! I base my answer on what I perceive are facts and logic and I don’t care whether others believe it or not . I understand that it would be impossible since it takes 1/10 seconds for messages to travel between the human brain and it’s dominant hands and in that very short period of time it would not be possible to alter or change . No human could possibly know where their hands are in 2/10 seconds of the DS and suddenly decide it is time to square the face with their hands . Human just don’t work that way . 
   If others think a human could then fine with me . No one has to believe me . I am used to that ! Theory and opinion is  much more intriguing.
     

[saevel25]

6 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

I base my answer on what I perceive are facts and logic and I don’t care whether others believe it or not .

A belief is not a fact. Facts are not perceived by one person and not perceived by another. Facts are universal. What comes out of ones mouth is not always a fact, and most likely an opinion. 

 

[dennyjones]

7 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

Theory and opinion is  much more intriguing.

huh?

[iacas]

6 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

Iacas

@Lane Holt, once again:

• https://thesandtrap.com/how-to/mention-members
• "If you're going to respond to someone, quote them. If you're only replying to a bit of what they're saying, quote that part only, so long as it's not leaving out the context, or quote the whole thing but bold only the part you're replying to."

6 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

I thought I answered that adequately in the first words of my previous post!

WHAT did you answer? You said something was impossible, then I showed you that it's not, and now we're back to "No, I don't"?

Last chance to follow the two simple rules I laid out above.

4 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

I base my answer on what I perceive are facts and logic

We've yet to see many of either facts or logic from you.

4 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

I don’t care whether others believe it or not.

I don't "believe" that 2+2=4. Facts aren't something that you can "believe" in. They're truths. They just "are."

4 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

I understand that it would be impossible since it takes 1/10 seconds for messages to travel between the human brain and it’s dominant hands and in that very short period of time it would not be possible to alter or change.

I'm not talking about from A6 to A7 (which takes place in FAR less time than 1/10th of a second). I'm talking about the entire downswing. And an action that began before A6 can continue through A6 to A7, and A8 even.

4 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

No human could possibly know where their hands are in 2/10 seconds of the DS and suddenly decide it is time to square the face with their hands . Human just don’t work that way.

Ah, classic.

You've either goalpost shifted here, or you've made a very, very unclear argument to this point.

Nobody is talking about "squaring the face" from only A6 onward except you. Nobody is saying any golfer "reacts" to what he feels at A6 and makes a change before impact.

I've said many times on this forum nobody can change anything after ~A5, after all.

But that's not what's been discussed, particularly since the topic is "transition". Transition ain't A6 to A7.

[Lane Holt]

Saevel,

 

      What parts of my above post are not factual ? I get my info from research and Neurologist. 
Thanks for replying!
 

 

  

[saevel25]

2 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

Saevel.

      What parts of my above post are not factual ? I get my info from research and Neurologist. 
Thanks for replying!

 

See @iacas most recent post above. He covered it better than I can. 

[Vinsk]

3 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

Saevel,

 

      What parts of my above post are not factual ? I get my info from research and Neurologist. 
Thanks for replying!
 

 

  

FFS...use the ‘@‘ symbol then start typing a members name..select that member from the drop down list. Like this:

@saevel25

[saevel25]

Just now, Vinsk said:

FFS...use the ‘@‘ symbol then start typing a members name..select that member from the drop down list. Like this:

@saevel25

@Vinsk, I don't like being used as an example 😛