Experimenting With Stack Tilt - I Have Shot 14 Over and 10 Over in the Last 2 Rounds

[khalespace]

I have struggled with my golf swing for a long time with over the top problem resulting in big slices, pulls, and inconsistent contacts. My handicap ranges from 18 to 21 and I have broken 90 less than 5 times in my life with a total of 10 years of golf. I have tried many changes and took instructions but the changes never stick. Like many amateurs sometimes I thought I have discovered the magic fix only to be disappointed later. I hope this is not the case.

In the last month, I have experimented with Stack and Tilt and I found out that it allows me to have better contact with the ball and minimize the over the top problem. In my last two rounds, I have shot 14, and 10 over. In the last few months I also have a golf simulator which allowed me to practice almost daily. I don't know if the two low scores are the results of stack and tilt or the simulator or both. I find that it is easier to pivot on the left foot for both the full swing, pitching and chipping. With the full swing, stack and tilt method somehow allows my right elbow to be closer to my body and I turn and swing the club from the inside much better. I was hitting the driver 240 to 270 in the last two rounds. Before I used to hit the driver 220 to 240. I will play again in 2 weeks, it will be interesting if I can break 90 again.

Has anyone else had similar success with stack and tilt?

[Vinsk]

It’d be quite valuable to see videos of your previous swing to your S&T swing. I’m not sure anyone else has had an 8 stroke improvement and a 30yd gain on driver distance in a month.😳

[iacas]

Hmmmm.

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I postulated that a lot of the early success amateurs were experiencing was simply a result of a temporary short-circuiting of their brain and that, eventually, the old swing flaws would return.

https://thesandtrap.com/b/playing_tips/a_few_months_later_stack_and_tilt

[billchao]

Well based on the last swing in your swing thread you weren’t pivoting correctly, so feeing like you stay on your lead foot is going to help with that.

But I’m confused now, you’re a lefty in your swing videos but you’re describing your swing here as a righty?

[BurritoFightClub]

Not a fan of Stack & Tilt. Putting all the weight on the front foot and trying to rotate back and through was a complete PITA. I couldn't rotate properly, so I ended up just throwing my hands through impact and was still chunking it. 

[iacas]

3 hours ago, BurritoFightClub said:

Not a fan of Stack & Tilt. Putting all the weight on the front foot and trying to rotate back and through was a complete PITA. I couldn't rotate properly, so I ended up just throwing my hands through impact and was still chunking it. 

To be fair the bold isn’t S&T.

[ColonelCamp]

On 6/21/2021 at 6:57 AM, Vinsk said:

It’d be quite valuable to see videos of your previous swing to your S&T swing. I’m not sure anyone else has had an 8 stroke improvement and a 30yd gain on driver distance in a month.😳

I've been learning S&T for about 2 months now and I love it.  I find it so much simpler.  I have lost a little distance, but I'm flushing it so much more frequently that the loss is worth it.  As an example, My best drives would carry about 260 with my old swing.  Problem was I did that about 2 out of 10 (on a good day) and I'd be in the woods.  Now I'm getting about 240-250 carry but I'm doing that 5-6 times out of ten times with much tighter dispersion and in play.  My 7 iron with my old swing was about 165-170.  Now its about 155-160, but again, way more consistent.  

Another big thing to me is I have so much less to think about during the swing as I ingrain the movements more and more.  My scores are up about 8-10 strokes up on avarage, but that's the price I'm willing to pay as I get this new swing method down.  Overall, it just feels better for my body.  My back definitely stopped hurting.  That was a big issue for me. I'd play a round with the old swing and most times couldn't play the next day.  I'd have to wait 2 days or so.  Now, I'm good to go the next day.  I even played 36 holes one day.  That was pretty shocking to me.

Hope this helps somebody.  

[iacas]

4 hours ago, ColonelCamp said:

My scores are up about 8-10 strokes up on avarage

That isn't what I'd expect from:

4 hours ago, ColonelCamp said:

I'm flushing it so much more frequently that the loss is worth it.

… and …

4 hours ago, ColonelCamp said:

Now its about 155-160, but again, way more consistent.  

 

[ColonelCamp]

🤷🏽‍♂️

[iacas]

29 minutes ago, ColonelCamp said:

🤷🏽‍♂️

I'd be careful about a few things.

 

[ColonelCamp]

2 minutes ago, iacas said:

I'd be careful about a few things.

 

What do that mean?

 

Also, just for clarity, when I say “My scores are up about 8-10 strokes up on avarage” I mean they’re higher. In case that’s what was throwing you off. 
 

At the end of the day, I’m hitting the ball much better, I feel physically better and golf is way more fun now than it used to be.  

[iacas]

Just now, ColonelCamp said:

What do that mean?

I mean, there are some bad roads you can go down with S&T. It's good, to a point.

Just now, ColonelCamp said:

Also, just for clarity, when I say “My scores are up about 8-10 strokes up on avarage” I mean they’re higher. In case that’s what was throwing you off. 

At the end of the day, I’m hitting the ball much better, I feel physically better and golf is way more fun now than it used to be.  

No, I got that.

Your scores should be better if you're hitting the ball so much better. You haven't lost much distance, and you say you're way more consistent. Yet your scores are higher.

[ColonelCamp]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

I mean, there are some bad roads you can go down with S&T. It's good, to a point.

No, I got that.

Your scores should be better if you're hitting the ball so much better. You haven't lost much distance, and you say you're way more consistent. Yet your scores are higher.

Ah ok. I guess what Imeant by “way more consistent” is that the frequency of good shots is higher than it used to be when I’m swinging it well. Overall consistency is what’s hurting me, but I’m getting better all the time.  
 

For now, this is the road I’m on and I’m fully committed to it and I love it. We’ll see where it goes. 

[klineka]

11 hours ago, ColonelCamp said:

Ah ok. I guess what Imeant by “way more consistent” is that the frequency of good shots is higher than it used to be when I’m swinging it well. Overall consistency is what’s hurting me, but I’m getting better all the time.  

So if your frequency of good shots is higher, you're in play more often off the tee, and you're more consistent with your irons, how are you possibly shooting 8-10 strokes WORSE than before?

That doesn't make sense to me.

Getting the ball in play off the tee and having consistently solid approach shots are two of the most important pieces to scoring in golf so it seems highly unlikely that you've improved in both your driving and approach play but are somehow 8-10 strokes worse than you were before.

[ColonelCamp]

2 hours ago, klineka said:

So if your frequency of good shots is higher, you're in play more often off the tee, and you're more consistent with your irons, how are you possibly shooting 8-10 strokes WORSE than before?

That doesn't make sense to me.

Getting the ball in play off the tee and having consistently solid approach shots are two of the most important pieces to scoring in golf so it seems highly unlikely that you've improved in both your driving and approach play but are somehow 8-10 strokes worse than you were before.

I’m obviously lying. 

[klineka]

3 minutes ago, ColonelCamp said:

I’m obviously lying. 

I mean can you just explain what part of your game is causing you to shoot 8-10 strokes worse than before even though you're in play off the tee more often and hitting better quality approach shots?

If you're in play/not in the woods let's say 3-4 more times per round than before, that's likely 3-4 shots saved right there, so for you to be 8-10 shots worse that's quite shocking since it's really more of a 10-15 shot swing.

[GolfLug]

1 hour ago, ColonelCamp said:

I’m obviously lying. 

No, but would you kindly explain what's causing your scores to worsen? 

[ColonelCamp]

1 hour ago, GolfLug said:

No, but would you kindly explain what's causing your scores to worsen? 

<I guess what I meant by “way more consistent” is that the frequency of good shots is higher than it used to be when I’m swinging it well. Overall consistency is what’s hurting me, but I’m getting better all the time. >
 

I wrote the above earlier, but to explain that a little more, I mean to say that the times when I’m making good contact I’ll shoot an 85 and then 95s the next two rounds, as an example. As I get to used to learning this swing, this is what I’m experiencing.