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Wanted to see if anyone here has an order form from a high end fitting company that they wouldn't mind sharing here? Just wanting to get some pricing info from the current environment.

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A student of mine just did a full bag fitting at Club Champion. I'll see if he can post it.

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Here’s a 3W and a 5W from Club Champion. I didn’t end up getting the clubs.

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15 minutes ago, billchao said:

Here’s a 3W and a 5W from Club Champion. I didn’t end up getting the clubs.

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Thanks Bill. So you weren't interested in buying $800 fairway woods??

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1 hour ago, Adam C said:

Thanks Bill. So you weren't interested in buying $800 fairway woods??

I mean it seemed like a really good deal, but I had to pass 😉

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My order forms from eBay through the years have been pretty nice. 

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2 hours ago, billchao said:

Here’s a 3W and a 5W from Club Champion. I didn’t end up getting the clubs.

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the shafts are @ $76 high each (see photo) even then a little rich for me.

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7 hours ago, StuM said:

the shafts are @ $76 high each (see photo) even then a little rich for me.

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Yea the clubs would be cheaper if I ordered them directly from Callaway.

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5 hours ago, Spct72 said:

I had a full bad fitting for my son and attached is the quote and build specs. 

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2 questions. How did you get a 15% discount on the clubs? Pretty sure all this stuff is on price restriction lists for retailers.

Second, did you end up buying from them? If you did, I will stop commenting on what I see here.


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We have not bought any of the clubs at this point. The total of the 15% discounts  is close to the cost of the $300.00 fitting fee. I believe they all but credit that amount if you purchase the clubs. 


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Do you still get charged full price for the club, in addition to the costs of the shaft and grip? Man I wanted to go to CC, but I think I may stick PGASS. Really I just want to be fit for stock options on clubs. 


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They really like to push for custom shaft options and yes it is in addition to the full price of the club. You can tell them that you would to be fit in stock shaft options if they have them available. 


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10 hours ago, Spct72 said:

They really like to push for custom shaft options and yes it is in addition to the full price of the club. You can tell them that you would to be fit in stock shaft options if they have them available. 

Not only do they push you into aftermarket shafts but notice how every shaft that you ended up with are not even available as upgrade options from the manufacturer. Unfortunately I have seen this far too many times for it to be the exception rather than the norm. Titleist for example has the largest available list of aftermarket options for their clubs, yet somehow every shaft on your list is not available from Titleist thereby making it necessary to buy the clubs from the fitter or try and piece it together yourself.

I see this and question every "fitting" they do, as it completely undermines their authority. Seems pretty obvious that the goal is not to get you in the right shaft as much as getting you into a shaft that is not available as an OEM option thereby greatly increasing the chances of you buying the clubs from them.


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32 minutes ago, Adam C said:

Not only do they push you into aftermarket shafts but notice how every shaft that you ended up with are not even available as upgrade options from the manufacturer. Unfortunately I have seen this far too many times for it to be the exception rather than the norm. Titleist for example has the largest available list of aftermarket options for their clubs, yet somehow every shaft on your list is not available from Titleist thereby making it necessary to buy the clubs from the fitter or try and piece it together yourself.

I see this and question every "fitting" they do, as it completely undermines their authority. Seems pretty obvious that the goal is not to get you in the right shaft as much as getting you into a shaft that is not available as an OEM option thereby greatly increasing the chances of you buying the clubs from them.

I’m pretty sure I can order mine directly from Callaway for cheaper. The fitter said they check every club that comes in to make sure it’s at the correct spec, as if that somehow justifies the $100 up charge in addition to the fitting fee.

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11 hours ago, Spct72 said:

They really like to push for custom shaft options and yes it is in addition to the full price of the club. You can tell them that you would to be fit in stock shaft options if they have them available. 

Which is why you go for a fitting, if you even need to, once but not buy anything, write down your specs, and then buy your stuff off eBay or some other secondhand source like Callaway pre-owned. The fitting process and service is largely over-emphasized these days for most golfers and is largely a cash grab.

Moreover, there’s no need to update your clubs very often any way. You’re just not going to see material changes if you have fairly recent clubs. Save your golf money for lessons and playing golf. 

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When I was doing fittings for Ping this past spring I had one customer come with his printout from Club Champion.  He was an average golfer pushing 70 years old.  The shafts they wanted to use, I never heard of before but each one for fw and driver were over $400.  Again… I have never heard of the name.  It goes with what Adam said about them using shafts not available from the mfg so you can’t get it through them instead.

Ended up fitting him into Ping stock offerings that worked very well for him.  Happy customer!

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On 7/26/2021 at 12:06 AM, Typhoon92 said:

When I was doing fittings for Ping this past spring I had one customer come with his printout from Club Champion.  He was an average golfer pushing 70 years old.  The shafts they wanted to use, I never heard of before but each one for fw and driver were over $400.  Again… I have never heard of the name.  It goes with what Adam said about them using shafts not available from the mfg so you can’t get it through them instead.

Ended up fitting him into Ping stock offerings that worked very well for him.  Happy customer!

I hope more and more people are figuring this stuff out, taking those CC fitting sheets to other fitters and getting fit the right way. I just don't get how someone can look at those prices and be ok with that??


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