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Jack vs. Tiger: Who's the Greatest Golfer?


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  1. 1. Tiger or Jack: Who's the greatest golfer?

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On 11/29/2021 at 7:51 AM, saevel25 said:

Not really. 

You would have to come up with an acceptable inflation adjusted number. Just not assuming your normal CPI inflation, but good luck determining how much extra inflation in purses was caused by Jack and caused by Tiger. 

I do not think career money won is an indicator of dominance since you are now taking a much more good stat, like top 10 finishes and winning, and assigning a cost benefit analysis done by accountants. 

Some of the reasons that money is such a bad measure go beyond 'inflation'.  Top players over Tiger's career played far fewer events than in Jack's years.  And then there is the difference between prize money distribution.  In Jack's years generally the winner received 20% of the total purse, while in Tiger's years it has been 18%.

And it is completely unnecessary to look at money because there are innumerable measures of dominance that have nothing to do with money.  Winning streaks, no-cut streaks, winning percentage, adjusted stroke averages compared to contemporaries, number of years of dominance in wins and majors, Vardon trophies, Player of the Year awards, etc.  All of which, along with others, that have been extensively discussed in this thread.

On 11/28/2021 at 2:41 PM, csh19792001 said:

What's the best indicator, then? 

It has been discussed in detail numerous times in this thread.  There is no one best indicator, it is the totality of the career.  I do not understand the compulsion some have to reduce a complex set of data into a single measure.

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5 hours ago, turtleback said:

Some of the reasons that money is such a bad measure go beyond 'inflation'.  Top players over Tiger's career played far fewer events than in Jack's years.  And then there is the difference between prize money distribution.  In Jack's years generally the winner received 20% of the total purse, while in Tiger's years it has been 18%.

And it is completely unnecessary to look at money because there are innumerable measures of dominance that have nothing to do with money.  Winning streaks, no-cut streaks, winning percentage, adjusted stroke averages compared to contemporaries, number of years of dominance in wins and majors, Vardon trophies, Player of the Year awards, etc.  All of which, along with others, that have been extensively discussed in this thread.

It has been discussed in detail numerous times in this thread.  There is no one best indicator, it is the totality of the career.  I do not understand the compulsion some have to reduce a complex set of data into a single measure.

I misread the original poster as saying "It isn't the single greatest measure." 

I inferred by the remark that he/she meant the average distance between 1st place in Vardon Trophy and within 2 strokes of that....that there must be a better single measure/metric out there. So I asked "Which one IS the single greatest measure?"

I totally agree with everything you just said in your post above. I never make everything about one number. That would be like trying to reduce Willie Mays to his 156.1 Wins Above Replacement ("WAR"). It would be both insipidly reductive and also a disgrace to arguably the greatest player of all time, and the most exciting and naturally gifted.

BTW: What do you think they do on the tennis and basketball and golf forums? Exactly that. Reduce a player down to a number, and rank and assess accordingly.

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19 hours ago, csh19792001 said:

BTW: What do you think they do on the tennis and basketball and golf forums? Exactly that. Reduce a player down to a number, and rank and assess accordingly.

Just because they are stupid doesn't mean we have to be.

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