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Haha like 2 quickie lessons from Jud? I don't even think I did what he told me to do... That right hand is strong as ever

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Speaking of roll out, Ive seen the trackman stats and the numbers say that pros hit their drivers pretty much as high as they hit their pitching wedge. So with that said, how do they get so much roll??

If my ball drops at 250, my total yardage will be like 252. I dont get any roll whatsoever and I hit my driver a little lower than my wedge...??

Oh and I think the course they were on was like 7900 yards or something insane like that..... I think I'd shoot like 115 if I played there
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Low cut fairways on excellent courses, they also hit the pitching wedge rather low and create backspin with it.

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Speaking of roll out, Ive seen the trackman stats and the numbers say that pros hit their drivers pretty much as high as they hit their pitching wedge. So with that said, how do they get so much roll??

A) They're golf clubs are optimized to have high launch and low spin, and the low spin will encourage roll.

B) The more forward force (ball speed, more or less) the more roll. A pitching wedge doesn't have much ball speed, a pro's driver does. C) Perfectly low cut fairways.

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Speaking of roll out, Ive seen the trackman stats and the numbers say that pros hit their drivers pretty much as high as they hit their pitching wedge. So with that said, how do they get so much roll??

Angle of descent isn't the same.

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I thought the cold weather might negate some of the distance. Obviously, 40s did, but mid to high 50s didn't seem to as much.

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I think natural athleticism has a lot to do with it. I've hit balls with friends who don't play golf really at all but were great athletes in high school, and just cream the ball.
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kleroudio, it sounds to me like you probably have a high spin rate and that perhaps you are hitting a cut shot. Lower spin rate and a straight or draw shot would promote more roll. Good luck in your future enjoyment of the game.

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Sure pros hit the ball pretty far, but it's just because they hit it solid, while being decently athletic and making efficient swings. It's all about getting the speed, then applying it efficiently. Anyone can do it. I average 270-280 now, and am confident that would go up at least 20 yards if I played in tour conditions.

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Not only the elevation and low cut fairways, but have you guys ever played in the Arizona desert? I lived there for 2 years (Phoenix). The ground on those courses is hard as a rock, and dry, and the grass is hearty and runs fast too. It can be like a runway. It's insane.

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kleroudio, it sounds to me like you probably have a high spin rate and that perhaps you are hitting a cut shot. Lower spin rate and a straight or draw shot would promote more roll. .

or we just live in florida, it rains every day may-nov...2 yds roll is prettty good.


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Conditioning of athlete, equipment, elevation, speed of fairways, firmness of fairways, no humidity in the air.

Imagine if they were hitting those tee shots on the internet . They'd be driving all of the par 4s.

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This is probably a topic for another thread, but I think the equipment for the pros should be reined in a bit - just like they're doing with the wedges and like they continued to do in MLB (baseball for those overseas). Wooden woods, one-piece irons, stricter ball regulations, no belly putters. Whatever it takes. Just my 2 cents.

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Conditioning of athlete, equipment, elevation, speed of fairways, firmness of fairways, no humidity in the air.

No, don't be silly, they'd be driving all the par 5s.

This is probably a topic for another thread, but I think the equipment for the pros should be reined in a bit - just like they're doing with the wedges and like they continued to do in MLB (baseball for those overseas). Wooden woods, one-piece irons, stricter ball regulations, no belly putters. Whatever it takes. Just my 2 cents.

Don't know about

that . I agree with square grooves, and making putters that are braced to the body illegal, but the rest of that stuff is a little too far. Major League Baseball limits it to wood bats for entirely different reasons. Driver COR has been limited to 0.83, so don't expect any 10,000 yard courses just yet. The USGA has already enacted hundreds of limits to keep these guys from doing what they do, but they are just that good. Besides, the record for the longest drive ever at a PGA tour event was set by Mike Austin... In 1974 ... At a senior tour event...
or we just live in florida, it rains every day may-nov...2 yds roll is prettty good.

Ha, I was thinking the same thing!


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Besides, the record for the longest drive ever at a PGA tour event was set by Mike Austin... In

not sure i believe that. i read about it but im not sure the ball they found was really his ball.

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For some perspective, you ought to look at the average driving distance at the AT&T; this year (Pebble Beach).....I hope I am not wrong, but I recall something right about 270. Also, I certainly recall seeing Jim Furyk hit a trouble club on a 202 yard par 3....more than one 7 iron from inside 150 yards (although I believe the hole played a bit uphill)......

I guess there are a couple points here --- the first being that if you take the players out of ideal conditions, the numbers aren't that ridiculous...and second, when you are talking about mamoth drives, you aren't talking about every player in the field.

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Borrowed a picture from the Trackman Data: PGA Tour vs. LPGA thread .

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Borrowed a picture from the

So what your telling me is I hit it like a woman?

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