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I think these are right

PW 44°
AW 48°
SW 55°
LW 60°

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
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This is what I am doing at the moment because I lost my lob at a tournament.

Replies to multi-quote posts are odd, aren't they?

I find a lot of stock PWs are too heavy (swingweight too high - too much mass behind the ball) so I had a forged gap wedge bent to 50.5 and replaced my 50 degree PW. I love it!

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I go with a pw/52/58 setup, too. My 52 only has 8 degrees of bounce so i can do many things with it. The 58 is also a versatile loft. Its strong enough to use from 70-90 yards, but still has enough loft to use from the bunker and tricky lies.
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Posted
A lot of this depends on the loft of you PW and the distance that you hit your PW.

Nevertheless, I use 4 wedges. PW (47deg), 52, 56, 60. The 52 is the most important for me because without it, I have a HUGE distance gap from my PW to 56. I play my PW 140 yards and my 56 110yards. The 52 is a perfect fit inbetween. The 56 has the perfect amount of bounce for turf and sand but I also throw in the 60deg for short side bunker shots / chips where I can open the face and flop it up and down easily.

Deryck Griffith

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Posted
In my bag it's PW, 52, and 60. The 60's so sweet when you hit it right but a real monster if you blade it...which happens more often than I'd like. I'm thinking of replacing the 60 with a 56 if I can ever find the one I want. Ping M/B's are a little hard to find these days.
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Posted
A lot of this depends on the loft of you PW and the distance that you hit your PW.

Exactly the reason I have my 52*

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Exactly the reason I have my 52*

Ditto for me, I play my PW 135-143 range and my 56* carries 105-110, 60* carries 90-95, so without a 52* some par 3's or approach shots are really touchy feely swings with a PW.

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4-PW
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Posted
My PW Ping i15 has 46* ..... so my setup with 46* - 52* - 58* has 6* gaps, maybe much, but it works for me !

The 6* gaps doesn't matter me much, after all I mostly let's say within 75 yds decide first which kind of shot I am going to play and then choose the club that fits the shot I have in mind ...... and it might well be that I will even go for a chipshot with something like an 8 iron.

I read some of you use the gap wedge for chip shots, when ever I try this I am mostly a bit to short and get too little roll ..... any tips, or would it be best to stick with the 6 to 8 iron and keep the roll..... ?

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Posted
It's time for someone to do Project 60: Find out why some people can hit a lob wedge, and other's (like me) apparently can't.

From each of these three HDCP ranges, get people 10 people who like the LW, and 10 people that don't.

Have someone videotape their swings, and look at setup, digger vs. sweeper, etc. Try to find out why the lob is a plus for some, a minus (and out of the bag) for others.

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It's time for someone to do Project 60: Find out why some people can hit a lob wedge, and other's (like me) apparently can't.

In a recent golf mag they kinda had something like this. It came down to people use their wedges in the wrong situations.

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Posted
I used to play PW, 52, 56, 60 but that left me a pretty large gap between my PW and 52. So I have PW (46*), 52 bent to 50, 54 and 58 now and I like this setup better. I have virtually no gap in ranges now.

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Posted
It's time for someone to do Project 60: Find out why some people can hit a lob wedge, and other's (like me) apparently can't.

This is just personal experience on my part. The people that I have witnessed not be able to hit a lob are the people that feel like they have to swing harder to get the distance instead of just smooth swinging. I do not go at my lob hard...that is a reciped for disaster IMO. Another thing I have seen are the scoopers. With the club having so much loft, if you scoop at impact, it's not going to work.

Bryan A
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I had the following setup before

PW/56
PW/56/60
PW/54/60
PW/51/58
PW/51/56 (now)

My short game sucks.

My conclusion: it's the indian not the arrow.

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Driver - Nike SUMO 13* R flex
Wood - Cobra 5 wood 18* R flex
3-PW hybrids/irons - Mizuno MX-950 R flex
Wedge - Mizuno MX-950 51* Wedge - Cleveland CG14 56* 14*Putter - RifeBall - Taylormade TP LDP RED


Posted
I've generally used a 56/13 for everything near the green but after reading this thread took a 60/08 to the short game area today. You can do some fun stuff, particularly from the fringe. I would always read people posting that they chip with a lob wedge and think "you're a nutter" -- but I now definitely see the attraction. Need to go back with a bag of decent balls.

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I've generally used a 56/13 for everything near the green but after reading this thread took a 60/08 to the short game area today. You can do some fun stuff, particularly from the fringe. I would always read people posting that they chip with a lob wedge and think "you're a nutter" -- but I now definitely see the attraction. Need to go back with a bag of decent balls.

The only time I "chipped" with mine was if I HAD to go over something. Other than that, I use a 52*-8I for chipping.

Bryan A
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As in my sig, I am a 47.06, 51.06, and 58.10 wedgeman. I have tried a few other options, but settled on this one. The gap between the wedges has eliminated the gaps in my game. My 58 is my sand wedge, lob wedge, greenside wedge. Depending on where I am, and type of shot, I will use the 51 or 47 to chip. Generally, I don't need the carry/roll these provide as I am close enough for a 1/4 or more swing of the 58 (depending on needed roll).

I once read somewhere (I think it was in "The Art of the Short Game" by Stan Utley) that players should have a go-to wedge for around the green. I decided on the 58 for that club. It has enough bounce for most sand traps, loft for trouble shots, and can reach the green from within 100yrds.

It all comes down to what you feel you need. In my case, I had always seemed to be in, or on the wrong side of, bunkers. So I combined my sand wedge needs with my lob wedge needs. Works great for me. Hope this helps!

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Posted
I have a PW like most golfers on the planet... But I have a 56* that is bent to a 55* and a 52* that is bent to a 50*. I truly do not know why have those lofts but they cover the yardages I want...

Oh, if I want a 60* wedge I will just open my 56*...

Posted
I use a 46*, 52*,56*, and a 60*. I hit alot of full wedge shots due to having somewhat of a long drive. For 130-140 i use my 46, for 110-125 i use my 52, for 80-100 i use my 56, and for a full swing from 60-75yds i use my 60*. Inside if that i just look at how much green is between me and the flag and go from there. Usually use my 56 for chipping as i am most comfortable with it in my hands. For short yardage and front/near pin i use my 60. I honestly dont think having all these has made a bit of difference in my shortgame. You can always move the ball up or back and open or close the club face. If I werte to make a change it would be to switch the 52 for a 50.

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