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I have a friend, a nice guy really, who is always kicking his ball out of trouble, taking 'mulligans', self-gimmies, playing OB as lateral, not counting penalty strokes, etc. For me, I don't care, however...his 12 year old daughter is an exceptional golfer. She just shot 81 from the men's whites last weekend. To date, she's been a perfectly honest golfer with a good grasp of the rules. I worry that his 'cheating' is setting a bad example for her even though so far it doesn't seem to be the case.

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the only thing that bugs me is the people who don't understand what "stroke and distance" actually means when it comes to OB lines. You cannot drop where it went out and take just one stroke. If you're going to drop where it crossed, you have to count the imaginary play back to where you originally hit(1 stroke) then count the imaginary distance stroke back to where you dropped the ball(1 stroke). It gets under my skin to see one of my playing partners go up and not only does he move 10-20 yards ahead of where a ball crossed OB, he'll drop and give himself one stroke.

If you're hitting your second from the fairway and it goes OB, you will be hitting your 4th the next time you play your ball! And if you go OB off the tee and just decide to drop instead of a provisional..you're not hitting 3, you're hitting 4!

My philosophy on golf "We're not doing rocket science, here."


About 5 years ago, I was a big time cheater.

I took mulligans, improved lies, treated OB as lateral, didn't putt out. The only thing that I didn't do was probably recording a wrong number on the card. Even though I was shooting 70s (with cheating), golf was not fun because I knew it was simply wrong.

2 years ago (after 3 year lay off and moving to a different state), I joined a league that play by the rule. Even though I can't shoot 70s, I feel good about my game now.

I have no problem playing with cheaters as long as nothing is involved. I understand that they are trying to have some fun out there.

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I cheated a couple times in high school on JV and never got caught. Then when I was 16, we had another guy get caught cheating in the varsity qualifiers and coach booted him off the team (he was pretty well-liked too). That pretty much did it for me, and it forced me to work harder on the game and not take shortcuts.

The more I think about it, it just shows an utter disrespect for the game and your fellow competitors. In the blitz and tournaments I play in, it's pretty much a mortal sin (get caught once and you're blackballed) - much more so than cursing and club throwing (still do that more than I like to admit).

I guess most of us at one time in life have cheated at golf or something. I further believe most of us lived to regret it whether we got caught or not. There is a minority however that see cheating as "smart" and giving yourself an edge. But because golf is so much about integrity of the individual player there just isn't any room for the cheater. When I see someone (in competition) not playing by the rules I tell them on the assumption it was a mistake or misunderstand of the rules and not a deliberate act. If you know it to be a deliberate act you don't have a choice but to tell the violator and report the violation to the committee.
Having said that I once in awhile play with some fellows that don't keep handicaps or ever play in competition and they consistently improve their lies, take gimmies, and etc. I don't really have a problem with this in these casual rounds with them (I don't do these things by the way as I turn in my scores) as they are not hiding anything and we don't have bets.

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Once in scramble, It was me and another in our group. We were the lone double in the field. Rest were 4somes. We shot 9 under, but one hole in which I did something slightly dishonest. Goes like this. We were on a par 3 190 yards uphill, my partner was money on the par 3's, so my tee shots were irrelevant. I topped a ball and it went into the rough 50 yards ahead. Due to sun glare I couldnt find the ball for like 12 minutes, I even searched on a cart.(it was a brand new prov1) well his tee shot was 4 feet from the cup....he had MISSED both his putts for birdie. I was so pissed that I lost my ball I just stormed to the green and hit my 2 attempts, both misses. My frame of mind was berzerk(yea I know lighten up, its just a ball). Its a moral victory to not lose any balls and we were 12 holes in and I wasnt gonna lose this one. I went back to the tee area to find my ball! Found it off the cart path.. Went back to the green were my marker was still sitting and sank the 4 foot putt. Apologized to my partner, but tried to explain my frustration, he understood and said, if you want to count the hole as a birdie then by all means, its your call.

I counted the birdie, ended up losing the ball anyway 5 holes later! lesson learned cheaters never prosper.

  Colinb913 said:
I was playing nine today, and the guy I paired with was cheating alot. Not taking his OB penalties, pulling the ball up out of the rough onto the fairway, just stupid stuff, and recording bogus scores. A 7 down to a 4? Come on now..

Don't care if it's not a competition or if I'm not part of a wager with him. If he wants to lie to himself, who cares?

If it is a competition, then I'm calling him every time. Never seen this in any tournament I've played though. The guys in my Men's Club are pretty careful about the rules. Even if they aren't sure, they'll ask for help before they do something wrong. They still might get it wrong, but at least it's an honest mistake made through ignorance (still incurs the penalty though). Never seen anyone deliberately breach a rule with the intention of cheating in any tournament I've been involved in.

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  KDub said:
I hate the guy who uses a tee on the fairway. I have played with a few guys over the years that did that exact thing.

A tee? Really? I can see if somebody is just starting out and isn't really keeping a score. But to use a tee in the fairway, then brag about your score is just messed up.

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  Paradox said:
the only thing that bugs me is the people who don't understand what "stroke and distance" actually means when it comes to OB lines. You cannot drop where it went out and take just one stroke. If you're going to drop where it crossed, you have to count the imaginary play back to where you originally hit(1 stroke) then count the imaginary distance stroke back to where you dropped the ball(1 stroke). It gets under my skin to see one of my playing partners go up and not only does he move 10-20 yards ahead of where a ball crossed OB, he'll drop and give himself one stroke.

Seems that you are one of the misguided folks we're talking about, albeit unknowingly. A case of the blind leading the blind.

You're "explaining" a rule to us, but you are wrong. You don't have the option of dropping a ball and adding two strokes when you hit it OB. There is no "imaginary" stroke, only a real one, which also might go OB or 50 yards along the ground. There are no imaginary strokes in golf, only real ones. Do what you like if it is practice round, but as soon as you do what you have suggested in a normal round, you stop scoring. You can't say that you shot x but dropped one near the OB line and added two. Also, you don't hit a provisonal once you have gone OB. That ball is in play.

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  Shorty said:
Seems that you are one of the misguided folks we're talking about, albeit unknowingly. A case of the blind leading the blind.

I was going to tell him that, but then I thought... why bother? His method assumes that you hit the first penalty shot well enough to be in play... no consideration that it might take 3 or 4 or more tries to finally get a ball in play.... by then you might be lying 15...

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I have only ever come across one cheater. I am sure he knew he was doing it be hard to tell, he was a bit of a hacker.

This was a big tournament run by a company that supplies electrical goods for the one I work for. I qualified for the national tournament in the regional qualifiers and went to the very flash course a few months back for the one day stroke tournament off the tips (410 meter par 4's in 2-3 degree temperatures were difficult!), the top 3 also got a berth in the team the company is entering into the Pro-Am for the New Zealand Open for 2011, so the stakes are pretty high!

I was playing with a guy off a 27 and I was off 20. We had different partners and both of which were mega hackers who didn't know the rules at all (I have no idea how they even got to go to the tournament!) After the front nine I casually asked what he shot and he was 1 better than me. I wasn't really paying attention to his score but this gave me major alarm bells, he had duffed a few tee shots and I think he had only beaten me on one hole where I took a double (he definately didn't get any pars either, where I had all bogeys apart from two doubles and one par). So I kept a close eye on him for the back nine and sure enough on about the 14th he hit a bad tee shot into the really long rough (waist high) and took 5-6 shots to get out. In the end he was getting frustrated and just doing a windmill. I counted him 11 shots to get to the green and stopped counting then. He holed out (pretty sure he 2 putted) and then I asked him what he got, he replied that he had 9. I then proceeded to miss my 1 foot putt for par!! On the next hole he grounded his club in a hazard and when I asked him he denied it. I didn't have a clue what to do. I was counting his shots and knew that he was roughly on par with me if you took his handicap off. At the end of the round I asked him his score on the 18th and he said nett 73 (I had nett 74) so was pretty annoyed but knew that there would be at least three guys ahead so thought it would be ok.

Turned out that three guys shot nett 71's so he didn't trouble the scorers and all turned out well. A bit after the prize giving he came up to me and said that he actually had shot a nett 69 but he didn't fill in his card properly and was disqualified. He looked really gutted and said so to me. When he walked away (shaking his head) I couldn't stop laughing. That is karma!

This has really troubled me for a while now. In retrospect I should have knocked it on the head at the time but I hate being the party pooper. It was probably half the organisers fault for putting a non golfer and 36 handicapper with us because they were too nieve/ignorant to even contemplate that he was cheating. In the future I will definately speak up before it is too soon, this was only luck that it turned out well for the other guys in the field that (I hope) played fair and square!

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If you are not playing for score, there is no such thing as cheating. And...... if you are not playing against me... I don't care what the hell you do. But, be aware, if I know you cheat and you play against me, I will watch you like a hawk and call you on every penalty... even for $1. I will not put up with it for any amount of money.

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  injury said:
A lot of books recommend it as a way of making it easier and keeping frustration down when beginning. My wife did it the first couple of rounds the two of us played together.

I always heard stories about the life savers when I was in high school but never saw it. Then my senior year we had a freshman who magically got about 5 shots better a round overnight. First tournament he got busted using life savers because we played the ball down on one of the kids saw him constantly messing with his ball. My favorite was always the guys that would hit a titleist into the woods and top flight out than claim they found their ball.
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What I have learned is that the key is to play for a very small amount, like dollar skins, and then since it is money you can call him out and be like, "didn't you shoot a 7 and not a 6?" He'll recount the hole and realize he's been caught/made a mistake and if he denies just count the strokes with him. It's for money so you have the right to call him out.
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As long as we're not playing for money or in a tournament, they are only cheating themselves by doing stuff like the OP said... if there is no direct impact on me, my playing partners can do whatever they want, it doesn't mean anything in the end.

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  Shorty said:
Seems that you are one of the misguided folks we're talking about, albeit unknowingly. A case of the blind leading the blind.

I know the actual rule..but I was describing a casual round with my friends, not a competition. Dropping a ball near the OB spot saves time from having to go back and re-tee or to the previous spot you hit from. I know the actual rule so no need to be high and mighty about it. Again the "imaginary" strokes as you want to call it are in reference to the strokes you would be taking had you played by the rules to the letter. Hit your second shot OB then you must go back to where you previously played which is one penalty stroke and then hit again which would be the 2nd stroke of a "stroke and distance" penalty. My point was only that it isn't a 1 stroke penalty when you go OB but 2.

As for the provisional, I was referring to not knowing whether a ball went OB so you hit the provisional ball...but instead some of my partners will just go look for their first ball, if its lost they drop(and take just 1 stroke)..if they find it still in play..then great.

My philosophy on golf "We're not doing rocket science, here."


Actually, "imaginary strokes" were your words, not someone else's.
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