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Watching the golf channel now, on the fifth playoff hole in the web.com tour event. The announcers made me cringe talking about "overspin" from the rough in a way that made it clear they were referring to topspin. "That ball just hit the front fringe, which really took the overspin off the ball so it'll come up short of the pin"
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Watching the golf channel now, on the fifth playoff hole in the web.com tour event. The announcers made me cringe talking about "overspin" from the rough in a way that made it clear they were referring to topspin. "That ball just hit the front fringe, which really took the overspin off the ball so it'll come up short of the pin"

Probably same guys that think a draw has topspin.

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Probably same guys that think a draw has topspin.

I was just really surprised because all the people who were announcing that event had apparently played golf professionally before. They had discussed earlier what the longest playoff they personally had played in was, and everyone had come up with some kind of answer. I can see why people may think a draw has topspin though, when you consider that they tend to roll out more than a fade or straight shot (though they can still stop and roll back). I wonder if they do this because a draw sometimes has a club face that is closed relative to the target (pointed to the left of it for a right hander) which can deloft the club to produce a lower trajectory that is more likely to roll out.

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I was just really surprised because all the people who were announcing that event had apparently played golf professionally before. They had discussed earlier what the longest playoff they personally had played in was, and everyone had come up with some kind of answer.

I can see why people may think a draw has topspin though, when you consider that they tend to roll out more than a fade or straight shot (though they can still stop and roll back). I wonder if they do this because a draw sometimes has a club face that is closed relative to the target (pointed to the left of it for a right hander) which can deloft the club to produce a lower trajectory that is more likely to roll out.

that kind of draw will never get to the target.  it will only start left of the target and hook farther left.

when most hacks hit a draw, i think they hit a pull draw, with an over the top swing and also managed to slam the clubface more shut than normal for their regular pull slice, resulting in a more solid hit that theyre used to that ends up in the left trees.

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I was just really surprised because all the people who were announcing that event had apparently played golf professionally before. They had discussed earlier what the longest playoff they personally had played in was, and everyone had come up with some kind of answer.

I can see why people may think a draw has topspin though, when you consider that they tend to roll out more than a fade or straight shot (though they can still stop and roll back). I wonder if they do this because a draw sometimes has a club face that is closed relative to the target (pointed to the left of it for a right hander) which can deloft the club to produce a lower trajectory that is more likely to roll out.

that kind of draw will never get to the target.  it will only start left of the target and hook farther left.

when most hacks hit a draw, i think they hit a pull draw, with an over the top swing and also managed to slam the clubface more shut than normal for their regular pull slice, resulting in a more solid hit that theyre used to that ends up in the left trees.

I think this is why draws roll out more for most.  Most amateurs tend to hit pull draws at a lower trajectory.

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I can see why people may think a draw has topspin though, when you consider that they tend to roll out more than a fade or straight shot (though they can still stop and roll back). I wonder if they do this because a draw sometimes has a club face that is closed relative to the target (pointed to the left of it for a right hander) which can deloft the club to produce a lower trajectory that is more likely to roll out.

Correct, t he face pointing farther left reduces loft, which reduces spin loft, resulting in lower ball flight (less delivered loft) with less spin (lower spin loft).

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Correct, t[COLOR=181818]he face pointing farther left reduces loft, which reduces spin loft, resulting in lower ball flight (less delivered loft) with less spin (lower spin loft).[/COLOR]

Kind of like a Kenny Perry hard-drawing draw.

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Forget vlogs. I think we should all film ourselves watching this video!!!!!

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Check this out, it's friggin hilarious

http://thesandtrap.com/t/75116/knee-angle-measurement-in-golf-swing

I feel like I just wasted 30 minutes of my life.

OH NO I have golf league in an hour!!!!!  I got to purge all that total BS from my head. I will not think of 5 stage rockets!!!

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I feel like I just wasted 30 minutes of my life.

No, you didn't. This is NOT A WASTE OF TIME! It is the FUNNIEST thing you will watch this year.

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The Tiger part is great as well. They use one swing from the '97 Masters to illustrate that he has a bad swing now.

Erik pointed this out to me....Bobby Jones played on the PGA Tour?

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Check this out, it's friggin hilarious

http://thesandtrap.com/t/75116/knee-angle-measurement-in-golf-swing


I still don't understand the point of the video? Are they trying to sell something?

They had one dude gain 60 yards on his drives, but he looked like he had significant weight on his back foot? That doesn't sound comfortable.

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The Tiger part is great as well. They use one swing from the '97 Masters to illustrate that he has a bad swing now.

Erik pointed this out to me....Bobby Jones played on the PGA Tour?

I always like, Bobby Jones won the grand slam. Yea, he won all the amateur tournaments in a golfing season. Lets not mention it isn't really the same grand slam today.

I also love the Wins graphs they have. Like the 5 stage launch system creates a complete game. I mean come on!!! Also note how they never really mentioned tiger at all. I think Tiger was their exception to the rule, yet he won a lot!!

I still don't understand the point of the video? Are they trying to sell something?

They had one dude gain 60 yards on his drives, but he looked like he had significant weight on his back foot? That doesn't sound comfortable.

They also sell a lot of massage therapy for different sports. There whole thing is about repairing the micro scar tissue that builds up in between each individual fiber of the muscle over time. That is what those images were from with the random guy laying on the ground showing different ranges of motions.

No, you didn't. This is NOT A WASTE OF TIME! It is the FUNNIEST thing you will watch this year.

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I always like, Bobby Jones won the grand slam. Yea, he won all the amateur tournaments in a golfing season. Lets not mention it isn't really the same grand slam today.

That would only be a two-run homer. He won the two big ams and the two big Opens. :)

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This video, I think, has some big errors. Some of it is ok, but the majority of this will not help your game. One quote that I thought was interesting early was, "Most good players have the shaft leaning slightly forward at impact." Shouldn't that be ALL good players?! The second drill he wants you closing the clubface?


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Most good players have the shaft leaning slightly forward at impact." Shouldn't that be ALL good players?!

I think he was just playing it safe. As a golf instructor you sometimes have to be careful not to speak in absolutes because someone will come out of the woodwork and tell you you're wrong because they once played with a scratch golfer who didn't have any shaft lean.

BTW I don't think that video works for this thead.

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I think he was just playing it safe. As a golf instructor you sometimes have to be careful not to speak in absolutes because someone will come out of the woodwork and tell you you're wrong because they once played with a scratch golfer who didn't have any shaft lean.

BTW I don't think that video works for this thead.

Good point. Feel free to delete the video I posted, then. It's a popular video, just thought it was a bit off.


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