Breed's Ball Shaping Lesson

[Stretch]

Originally Posted by 14ledo81

John, are you saying that geometrical facts change based on the method of swing oneempoys?

Trackman has determined that swing ideology's influence on ball flight varies according to rhetorical intensity.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by johnthejoiner

My point is, it works, it always has and it always will. What you should be saying is that it might not work for someone who is experimenting with stack and tilt and is more suited to someone with more of a traditional swing

Thing is, what you say "works" is not what they're doing. They're saying one thing and doing another. It's like saying that you push the left pedal to make the car go faster... then pushing the right one because that's actually the accelerator.

It has nothing to do with the way someone swings. Physics is the same, period. What those golfers said in those videos you posted does not work with any kind of swing . Not in this universe, anyway.

[EverythingGolf]

I thought everyone was on the same page when it came to the new ball flight laws. What a player feels he is doing in his swing is not the same as what accually is happening in the swing.

[johnthejoiner]

Originally Posted by EverythingGolf

I thought everyone was on the same page when it came to the new ball flight laws. What a player feels he is doing in his swing is not the same as what accually is happening in the swing.

This seems to be the new mantra kicking about the stack and tilt world. If you say something long enough and loud enough and often enough, the people will believe it

[Shindig]

Originally Posted by johnthejoiner

This seems to be the new mantra kicking about the stack and tilt world. If you say something long enough and loud enough and often enough, the people will believe it

Most of us believe it because of the science behind it.  Your explanation really tells us why people believe the old "aim the face at the target" line.

[EverythingGolf]

Originally Posted by johnthejoiner

This seems to be the new mantra kicking about the stack and tilt world. If you say something long enough and loud enough and often enough, the people will believe it

The STACK & TILT swing has nothing to do with the ball flight laws. The club head and the swing path do not care who or what got it to impact. Its all the same no matter what type of swing it is!

[johnthejoiner]

Originally Posted by iacas

Thing is, what you say "works" is not what they're doing. They're saying one thing and doing another. It's like saying that you push the left pedal to make the car go faster... then pushing the right one because that's actually the accelerator.

It has nothing to do with the way someone swings. Physics is the same, period. What those golfers said in those videos you posted does not work with any kind of swing. Not in this universe, anyway.

The so called new ball flight rules tells me that this ball will start to the right of the target line because the club face is open to the target, could someone explain why it starts and stays on the target line, or is it just because it was videoed in a parallel universe

[jamo]

Originally Posted by johnthejoiner

The so called new ball flight rules tells me that this ball will start to the right of the target line because the club face is open to the target, could someone explain why it starts and stays on the target line, or is it just because it was videoed in a parallel universe

I don't know about you, but not only does that ball start a few degrees right of target (target being perfectly horizontal to the ball position at impact), that clubface is also no more than a few degrees open to the target.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by jamo

I don't know about you, but not only does that ball start a few degrees right of target (target being perfectly horizontal to the ball position at impact), that clubface is also no more than a few degrees open to the target.

Exactly.

Shows the same thing you can see in this video:

[Kieran123]

Originally Posted by iacas

Exactly.

Shows the same thing you can see in this video:

Wow. People still debating this?

Concrete evidence right there.

[EverythingGolf]

Im glad you found that video so we can finally prove you wrong.

The red line is down the center of the ball.

The blue line shows if the club was square at impact.

The yellow line shows the club face at impact and yes it is open. It is a fraction open and the ball is following in that direction.

Look and see the ball got to the right.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by jamo

I don't know about you, but not only does that ball start a few degrees right of target (target being perfectly horizontal to the ball position at impact), that clubface is also no more than a few degrees open to the target.

Maybey if they'd used a vintage blade instead of a GI shovel it would be easier for people to see that leading edge and the grooves were pretty close to square.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

Maybey if they'd used a vintage blade instead of a GI shovel it would be easier for people to see that leading edge and the grooves were pretty close to square.

That video was clearly not produced to show ball flight law type stuff. It's just showing "impact with an iron" or whatever the title says.

[johnthejoiner]

Originally Posted by EverythingGolf

Im glad you found that video so we can finally prove you wrong.

The red line is down the center of the ball.

The blue line shows if the club was square at impact.

The yellow line shows the club face at impact and yes it is open. It is a fraction open and the ball is following in that direction.

Look and see the ball got to the right.

Now now EG no cheating, you could have at least placed the red line on the actual target line, its very easy to see it because its the big black line on the golf ball

[14ledo81]

But we dont know what type of swing these balls were hit with. Traditional or Stack and Tilt? How could you guys leave out such a large piece of the puzzle.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by johnthejoiner

Now now EG no cheating, you could have at least placed the red line on the actual target line, its very easy to see it because its the big black line on the golf ball

I have to assume you've realized the error of your ways and are now joking.

Right?

[johnthejoiner]

Originally Posted by iacas

I have to assume you've realized the error of your ways and are now joking.

Right?

Ive just provided you with a video taken in laboratory controlled conditions that according to the so called new ball flight laws cannot possibly happen. What people have to remember golf is not a science its a sport, there's way too many variables in equipment and people to take into account before we start quoting Einstein.

and on that note, here's a wee video for you

[EverythingGolf]

Originally Posted by johnthejoiner

Ive just provided you with a video taken in laboratory controlled conditions that according to the so called new ball flight laws cannot possibly happen. What people have to remember golf is not a science its a sport, there's way too many variables in equipment and people to take into account before we start quoting Einstein.

and on that note, here's a wee video for you

That is the Fake video, here is the real one.