Thoughts on Rickie Fowler and The Masters' tradition?

[The Recreational Golfer]

Originally Posted by turtleback

You should punish them by never going there, never watching their tournament, and never playing their course.  That will show them.

Speaking of thugs, this from the NY Times: Two security guards blocked reporter Tara Sullivan from going into the locker room after the tournament today because she was a woman.

Also, several years ago, Golf Week reporter John Hawkins wrote that he was threatened by a security guard with eviction from the grounds because, get this, he stood on the back of a golf cart so he could see above the crowd on the 18th green.

Like I say . . .

[newtogolf]

Most of the security guards working the tournament aren't employees of Augusta National, they were temps hired to help out.  The officials of the club already apologized to the reporter and agreed the security guard did not handle the situation properly.

[NI4NI]

What precisely is a " foofaraw ", Jay Busbee?

Re: the rules, since they set them, I wonder if they brief all players (and media for that matter), as to what the rules are beforehand so that they don't have to "show up" (translated as either to embarass or one-up) a person during a media session.  Reference following article quote, "Augusta National member Ron Townsend then reached over and turned Fowler's cap forwards ."  If Fowler was aware of the rules, then his bad.

Don't have all the facts to decide, but, in general, have no problem with AN setting its own rules.

[max power]

Originally Posted by NI4NI

What precisely is a " foofaraw ", Jay Busbee?

Not sure if the spelling is correct-but that's clearly a Simpsons/Kent Brockman reference, which automatically earns bonus points.   It's possible the whole thing is argle bargle.

[ohiolefty]

Originally Posted by Shindig

And while we're on the topic of manners, can you watch your language?  I'm pretty sure you didn't mean to imply that the official was wearing a duck instead of a hat, and the asterisk doesn't change that.

Mind this. Anyone asking him to turn his hat around is a f ew cee kay eye enn gee hole where excrement emerges. And I can watch my language. But, I'll decide when to call a d1ckhead a d1ckhead, or a d*ckhead, or a deekheed, or a duckhead, whenever I like - thank you.

[Kieran123]

TBH, who gives a fuck. Pardon my french.....but a hat backwards is hardly insulting, rules or not, hat forwards or backwards doesn't really matter.  A backwards hat is not a sign of the maturity level of the person wearing it. IMO a backwards cap looks better than a golfer wearing a cowboy hat.

Traditions get in the way of common sense sometimes. Times change, some people get stuck behind

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by ohiolefty

Mind this. Anyone asking him to turn his hat around is a . . . .  whenever I like - thank you.

This hipocritical post was the final straw for me. Blockage.

[ohiolefty]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

This hipocritical post was the final straw for me. Blockage.

Clearly not a hypocritical post. But, have a ball at the blockage.

[mdl]

Originally Posted by Stretch

No negroes, no women, no jews, no backwards hats.

+1

Augusta can suck it.  We're supposed to revere them as they wish the whole world would conform to their idea of a perfect world where the women stay in the kitchen and never ask questions, every black man is a "boy" who needs to be told to to go buff your shoes, and the kikes can manage your bank account but God forbid they tarnish your club by even setting foot there?  Bunch of ignorant backwards assholes.  Keep a sweet ass course together and host a tourney that's real fun to watch.  Really rich.  Doesn't make them any less ignorant or backwards.

[jamo]

I don't see the big deal on either side.

I'm 18 and I take my hat off indoors. It's the way I've always been taught to, and I don't think it's much of a big deal at all . I wear hats more than most people, but I find them a little annoying indoors, so I take 'em off. Maybe the difference between me and Rickie is that I don't wear a hat to make a fashion statement, I wear a hat because it's comfortable.

Then again, what's the big deal to the guys at Augusta National either? The kid's going to be sitting there for what, 10 minutes max? Fielding questions about a game. By all accounts he is very polite and cordial, as much as his sponsors and people in the sports media would like you to think otherwise.Why not just ask him after the interview? That would hit home for me, I assume it would do the same for him, and then no one would be embarrassed and no one would be written about the next day.

That's just my opinion on this specific Augusta National issue though, so don't try to extrapolate to other ones.

I guess I just don't think this is an issue to get worked up about.

[Kieran123]

Originally Posted by jamo

I don't see the big deal on either side.

I'm 18 and I take my hat off indoors. It's the way I've always been taught to, and I don't think it's much of a big deal at all. I wear hats more than most people, but I find them a little annoying indoors, so I take 'em off. Maybe the difference between me and Rickie is that I don't wear a hat to make a fashion statement, I wear a hat because it's comfortable.

Then again, what's the big deal to the guys at Augusta National either? The kid's going to be sitting there for what, 10 minutes max? Fielding questions about a game. By all accounts he is very polite and cordial, as much as his sponsors and people in the sports media would like you to think otherwise.Why not just ask him after the interview? That would hit home for me, I assume it would do the same for him, and then no one would be embarrassed and no one would be written about the next day.

That's just my opinion on this specific Augusta National issue though, so don't try to extrapolate to other ones.

I guess I just don't think this is an issue to get worked up about.

Hat indoors is fine IMO, not at the dinner table though

I'm already going bald and I find it less insulting to wear a hat then to show off my receding hair line.

[newtogolf]

Originally Posted by mdl

+1

Augusta can suck it.  We're supposed to revere them as they wish the whole world would conform to their idea of a perfect world where the women stay in the kitchen and never ask questions, every black man is a "boy" who needs to be told to to go buff your shoes, and the kikes can manage your bank account but God forbid they tarnish your club by even setting foot there?  Bunch of ignorant backwards assholes.  Keep a sweet ass course together and host a tourney that's real fun to watch.  Really rich.  Doesn't make them any less ignorant or backwards.

You obviously haven't seen their member list and are wrong on all counts except for possibly no women (It's a private MENS club).   Here's a list from 2004, take note of some of the names - few "kikes" and wops.  First "black" member joined in 1990.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/masters/2002-09-27-augusta-list.htm

[iacas]

Originally Posted by newtogolf

You obviously haven't seen their member list and are wrong on all counts except for possibly no women (It's a private MENS club).

They're not even a men's club. They're just a club that is, thus far, without a woman member. They're not specifically a men's club.

[Shindig]

Originally Posted by iacas

They're not even a men's club. They're just a club that is, thus far, without a woman member. They're not specifically a men's club.

Well, their last membership posting didn't include a woman.  I don't think they'd announce it very loudly if they let in a female member (same as they don't announce male members), although there were plenty of rumors after last year's Masters that Condi Rice had joined (although the first page of Google results seem to be from 2009).

[MrKadash]

Over the top IMO, but whatever floats ANGC's boat.

[TKO204]

Originally Posted by Shindig

Well, their last membership posting didn't include a woman.  I don't think they'd announce it very loudly if they let in a female member (same as they don't announce male members), although there were plenty of rumors after last year's Masters that Condi Rice had joined (although the first page of Google results seem to be from 2009).

I don't know about Augusta, but Rice is a member of Shoal Creek in Birmingham.

[burtonda]

Originally Posted by iacas

They're not even a men's club. They're just a club that is, thus far, without a woman member. They're not specifically a men's club.

I don't see how this is much different than the color line in baseball before Jackie Robinson. There was no official policy calling for racial segregation, but all the teams followed this unwritten rule.  In my opinion, once Augusta National and the Masters became a cornerstone of professional American golf and started collecting millions in TV contracts, effectively subsidizing member fees, they became more open to public scrutiny of their membership makeup.  What they're doing seems to be perfectly legal, but that doesn't make it right.

[golf4fun12]

I wonder who would be the first woman member at their club? wie? haha, no way.