The Dan Plan - 10,000 Hours to Become a Pro Golfer (Dan McLaughlin)

[Nosevi]

Just check his posted Trackman Combine numbers again - he's not that good inside 100 yards ie in the 60, 70, 80 and 90 yard parts of the test. Not bad but not consistently over 80 points.

http://thedanplan.com/statistics-2/

[Lihu]

Just check his posted Trackman Combine numbers again - he's not that good inside 100 yards ie in the 60, 70, 80 and 90 yard parts of the test. Not bad but not consistently over 80 points.

http://thedanplan.com/statistics-2/

Yeah, I figured that two scores over 80 and the rest averaging to 74 makes up a decent player.

EDIT: Here's how he compares:

http://www.impactelitegolfacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/5.pdf

[natureboy]

Yeah, I figured that two scores over 80 and the rest averaging to 74 makes up a decent player.

EDIT: Here's how he compares:

http://www.impactelitegolfacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/5.pdf

I just noticed that the circle in the pic around the drives seems to close around 260 yards. Should it do that with two drives around / over 270?

How does he get such a low spin rate with 3* down with driver?

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by Lihu

Yeah, I figured that two scores over 80 and the rest averaging to 74 makes up a decent player.

EDIT: Here's how he compares:

http://www.impactelitegolfacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/5.pdf

I just noticed that the circle in the pic around the drives seems to close around 260 yards. Should it do that with two drives around / over 270?

How does he get such a low spin rate with 3* down with driver?

The plot is carry yards, and the chart is total yards. I know, it's kind of confusing. . .

Good point about the spin and 3 degree negative AoA, maybe he's standing on a 5 degree positive slope?

[natureboy]

The plot is carry yards, and the chart is total yards. I know, it's kind of confusing. . .

Good point about the spin and 3 degree negative AoA, maybe he's standing on a 5 degree positive slope?

Okay that makes sense on the plot vs. table.

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by Lihu

The plot is carry yards, and the chart is total yards. I know, it's kind of confusing. . .

Good point about the spin and 3 degree negative AoA, maybe he's standing on a 5 degree positive slope?

Okay that makes sense on the plot vs. table.

You don't like the 5 degree slope theory?

[natureboy]

You don't like the 5 degree slope theory?

Clever, but not likely.

Maybe it's related to his swing being pretty flat?

[Lihu]

Clever, but not likely.

Maybe it's related to his swing being pretty flat?

LOL. Just a joke. . .

Possibly because of the flatness, or he might have put axle grease*** on the face to reduce the spin?

***I've heard all the stories of cheating while playing golf every day with so many experienced golfers. . .

[Pretzel]

LOL. Just a joke. . .

Possibly because of the flatness, or he might have put axle grease*** on the face to reduce the spin?

***I've heard all the stories of cheating while playing golf every day with so many experienced golfers. . .

You wouldn't use axle grease Lihu, it's too noticeable. Vaseline is less visible due to the clear color, and sunscreen can achieve the same effect with easier application if you put a generous helping on your neck and just rub that before each tee shot, then the face. C'mon, you should know better!

[natureboy]

LOL. Just a joke. . .

Possibly because of the flatness, or he might have put axle grease*** on the face to reduce the spin?

***I've heard all the stories of cheating while playing golf every day with so many experienced golfers. . .

With that carry grouping at least two of his drives ran about 36+ yards or 14% of total distance. He must hit driver verrry low. PGA average in 2013 was around 5% and I don't expect it's changed much.

[Nosevi]

With that carry grouping at least two of his drives ran about 36+ yards or 14% of total distance. He must hit driver verrry low. PGA average in 2013 was around 5% and I don't expect it's changed much.

Pretty sure Trackman will be measuring the flight but calculating or estimating the roll based on a generic, flat fairway. It's probably not wildly out but some launch monitors do seem to use very fast fairways in their roll calculations.

[nevets88]

3,997 Hours To Go: One Man’s Quest For Golf Mastery - By Lauren Ober | June 6, 2015 [wbur.org/NPR]

Audio of the interview is available, but I just skimmed through the transcript. Nothing new.

Quote:

Epstein told me one key to the project is “deliberate practice.”

...

It’s worth noting that Dan’s between coaches right now, so there’s no one pushing him to get out on the range. And his deliberate practice routine has delivered results.

http://onlyagame.wbur.org/2015/06/06/dan-mclaughlin-plan-malcolm-gladwell

[Lihu]

Quote:

Originally Posted by nevets88

3,997 Hours To Go: One Man’s Quest For Golf Mastery - By Lauren Ober | June 6, 2015 [wbur.org/NPR]

Audio of the interview is available, but I just skimmed through the transcript. Nothing new.

Quote:

Epstein told me one key to the project is “deliberate practice.”

...

It’s worth noting that Dan’s between coaches right now, so there’s no one pushing him to get out on the range. And his deliberate practice routine has delivered results.

http://onlyagame.wbur.org/2015/06/06/dan-mclaughlin-plan-malcolm-gladwell

Thanks for posting.

I got to the pain-in-the-lower-back-and-it-feels-like-my-legs-are-twisting-out-from-under-me part of the article. I wonder if he can get just rid of that funny little twist he does with the back on the follow through that he might avoid injury to the lower back?

[natureboy]

Pretty sure Trackman will be measuring the flight but calculating or estimating the roll based on a generic, flat fairway. It's probably not wildly out but some launch monitors do seem to use very fast fairways in their roll calculations.

I've seen that - Flight Scope seems to have tons of roll. PGA Fwys are typically very firm and fast, but they still don't get as much roll.

Re. the 'Only A Game' article, the injury sounds a bit like Sciatica. I've had it. No fun.

[Lihu]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nosevi

Pretty sure Trackman will be measuring the flight but calculating or estimating the roll based on a generic, flat fairway. It's probably not wildly out but some launch monitors do seem to use very fast fairways in their roll calculations.

I've seen that - Flight Scope seems to have tons of roll. PGA Fwys are typically very firm and fast, but they still don't get as much roll.

I was watching someone getting fit with 6i and he hit 166 carried with every type of club when he managed to get an 80mph swing. The salesman was giving his the "total" yardages. He was stating things like "You hit 193 yards with that shot" or "You got 6 yards more distance with this club than your old club". I was laughing inside thinking that this salesman is a totally different person on the range or the course. The guy looking to buy, was very pleased that he could hit the ball 193 yards with his 6i. When I mentioned that it looks like he carries 166 with all the 6i clubs with his 80mph swing (as opposed to his average of 75mph), the salesman gave me a look like "get out before I throw you out". . .

Getting back to the point, the monitors are definitely hacked up to make it look like you hit total distances much farther than you actually would on the course.

[Nosevi]

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Originally Posted by natureboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nosevi

Pretty sure Trackman will be measuring the flight but calculating or estimating the roll based on a generic, flat fairway. It's probably not wildly out but some launch monitors do seem to use very fast fairways in their roll calculations.

I've seen that - Flight Scope seems to have tons of roll. PGA Fwys are typically very firm and fast, but they still don't get as much roll.

I was watching someone getting fit with 6i and he hit 166 carried with every type of club when he managed to get an 80mph swing. The salesman was giving his the "total" yardages. He was stating things like "You hit 193 yards with that shot" or "You got 6 yards more distance with this club than your old club". I was laughing inside thinking that this salesman is a totally different person on the range or the course. The guy looking to buy, was very pleased that he could hit the ball 193 yards with his 6i. When I mentioned that it looks like he carries 166 with all the 6i clubs with his 80mph swing (as opposed to his average of 75mph), the salesman gave me a look like "get out before I throw you out". . .

Getting back to the point, the monitors are definitely hacked up to make it look like you hit total distances much farther than you actually would on the course.

With my GC2 you can select how hard the fairway and greens are - soft, medium or hard. I always have it set for medium which seems about right tbh but I bet anyone selling drivers with one has it set for hard.

[Pretzel]

The roll on monitors can be really funny, as can the "distance boost" feature I found on the monitor at a Golfsmith once. When questioned the salesperson told me to compensate for altitude, which seemed about right (perhaps a bit generous) since the multiplier was at 1.08, but it was pretty fun to mess around with when the salesperson wasn't there to have fun and watch it tell me I hit the ball 375 yards.

[RandallT]

The comments are turning negative on thedanplan: http://thedanplan.com/sadly-the-first-wd-from-a-tourney/

Correct me if I'm wrong, but until now it has been mostly cheery, but the cheerleaders aren't finding much to say with the injuries since April. April 3rd was his first note about back pain affecting his swing. He withdrew from his tourney this past weekend without hitting a shot- probably wise if he needs to recover.

Quote (slightly edited for clarity- you're welcome- although I couldn't find a synonym for "planfulness," cool word):

Following your posts from the beginning, I don’t have the impression that I can see the same eagerness within you. It seems a bit more to me that you are not taking things seriously, but just as they come. I think your plan could have gone a bit more straight forward if your only thought from dusk till dawn would be to make it onto the tour.

There are slight signs (for example, that you have played irons with a wrong lie for several years) that add to that impression and so maybe it lacks a bit of planfullness and you take two steps forth and then one back and I think you didn’t yet really find your way. I would even say if after the 10’000 hours you didn’t make it on the tour that would not be a prove for being impossible to achieve that for an average talented person – provided this person offered this eagerness.

Quote (slightly edited for clarity):

I just hope that what I am prepare to say is going to wake up dan. It’s the last time that I try to wake him up. I am not trying to make him change is mind, I already accept his decision not to want my help. Like mister Stefan say above I don’t see no eagerness at all. Because I know what it take to go to that level, I can say that dan is going to the wrong direction.