The Dan Plan - 10,000 Hours to Become a Pro Golfer (Dan McLaughlin)

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by Lihu

The plot is carry yards, and the chart is total yards. I know, it's kind of confusing. . .

Good point about the spin and 3 degree negative AoA, maybe he's standing on a 5 degree positive slope?

Okay that makes sense on the plot vs. table.

You don't like the 5 degree slope theory?

[natureboy]

You don't like the 5 degree slope theory?

Clever, but not likely.

Maybe it's related to his swing being pretty flat?

[Lihu]

Clever, but not likely.

Maybe it's related to his swing being pretty flat?

LOL. Just a joke. . .

Possibly because of the flatness, or he might have put axle grease*** on the face to reduce the spin?

***I've heard all the stories of cheating while playing golf every day with so many experienced golfers. . .

[Pretzel]

LOL. Just a joke. . .

Possibly because of the flatness, or he might have put axle grease*** on the face to reduce the spin?

***I've heard all the stories of cheating while playing golf every day with so many experienced golfers. . .

You wouldn't use axle grease Lihu, it's too noticeable. Vaseline is less visible due to the clear color, and sunscreen can achieve the same effect with easier application if you put a generous helping on your neck and just rub that before each tee shot, then the face. C'mon, you should know better!

[natureboy]

LOL. Just a joke. . .

Possibly because of the flatness, or he might have put axle grease*** on the face to reduce the spin?

***I've heard all the stories of cheating while playing golf every day with so many experienced golfers. . .

With that carry grouping at least two of his drives ran about 36+ yards or 14% of total distance. He must hit driver verrry low. PGA average in 2013 was around 5% and I don't expect it's changed much.

[Nosevi]

With that carry grouping at least two of his drives ran about 36+ yards or 14% of total distance. He must hit driver verrry low. PGA average in 2013 was around 5% and I don't expect it's changed much.

Pretty sure Trackman will be measuring the flight but calculating or estimating the roll based on a generic, flat fairway. It's probably not wildly out but some launch monitors do seem to use very fast fairways in their roll calculations.

[nevets88]

3,997 Hours To Go: One Man’s Quest For Golf Mastery - By Lauren Ober | June 6, 2015 [wbur.org/NPR]

Audio of the interview is available, but I just skimmed through the transcript. Nothing new.

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Epstein told me one key to the project is “deliberate practice.”

...

It’s worth noting that Dan’s between coaches right now, so there’s no one pushing him to get out on the range. And his deliberate practice routine has delivered results.

http://onlyagame.wbur.org/2015/06/06/dan-mclaughlin-plan-malcolm-gladwell

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by nevets88

3,997 Hours To Go: One Man’s Quest For Golf Mastery - By Lauren Ober | June 6, 2015 [wbur.org/NPR]

Audio of the interview is available, but I just skimmed through the transcript. Nothing new.

Quote:

Epstein told me one key to the project is “deliberate practice.”

...

It’s worth noting that Dan’s between coaches right now, so there’s no one pushing him to get out on the range. And his deliberate practice routine has delivered results.

http://onlyagame.wbur.org/2015/06/06/dan-mclaughlin-plan-malcolm-gladwell

Thanks for posting.

I got to the pain-in-the-lower-back-and-it-feels-like-my-legs-are-twisting-out-from-under-me part of the article. I wonder if he can get just rid of that funny little twist he does with the back on the follow through that he might avoid injury to the lower back?

[natureboy]

Pretty sure Trackman will be measuring the flight but calculating or estimating the roll based on a generic, flat fairway. It's probably not wildly out but some launch monitors do seem to use very fast fairways in their roll calculations.

I've seen that - Flight Scope seems to have tons of roll. PGA Fwys are typically very firm and fast, but they still don't get as much roll.

Re. the 'Only A Game' article, the injury sounds a bit like Sciatica. I've had it. No fun.

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by Nosevi

Pretty sure Trackman will be measuring the flight but calculating or estimating the roll based on a generic, flat fairway. It's probably not wildly out but some launch monitors do seem to use very fast fairways in their roll calculations.

I've seen that - Flight Scope seems to have tons of roll. PGA Fwys are typically very firm and fast, but they still don't get as much roll.

I was watching someone getting fit with 6i and he hit 166 carried with every type of club when he managed to get an 80mph swing. The salesman was giving his the "total" yardages. He was stating things like "You hit 193 yards with that shot" or "You got 6 yards more distance with this club than your old club". I was laughing inside thinking that this salesman is a totally different person on the range or the course. The guy looking to buy, was very pleased that he could hit the ball 193 yards with his 6i. When I mentioned that it looks like he carries 166 with all the 6i clubs with his 80mph swing (as opposed to his average of 75mph), the salesman gave me a look like "get out before I throw you out". . .

Getting back to the point, the monitors are definitely hacked up to make it look like you hit total distances much farther than you actually would on the course.

[Nosevi]

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Originally Posted by natureboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nosevi

Pretty sure Trackman will be measuring the flight but calculating or estimating the roll based on a generic, flat fairway. It's probably not wildly out but some launch monitors do seem to use very fast fairways in their roll calculations.

I've seen that - Flight Scope seems to have tons of roll. PGA Fwys are typically very firm and fast, but they still don't get as much roll.

I was watching someone getting fit with 6i and he hit 166 carried with every type of club when he managed to get an 80mph swing. The salesman was giving his the "total" yardages. He was stating things like "You hit 193 yards with that shot" or "You got 6 yards more distance with this club than your old club". I was laughing inside thinking that this salesman is a totally different person on the range or the course. The guy looking to buy, was very pleased that he could hit the ball 193 yards with his 6i. When I mentioned that it looks like he carries 166 with all the 6i clubs with his 80mph swing (as opposed to his average of 75mph), the salesman gave me a look like "get out before I throw you out". . .

Getting back to the point, the monitors are definitely hacked up to make it look like you hit total distances much farther than you actually would on the course.

With my GC2 you can select how hard the fairway and greens are - soft, medium or hard. I always have it set for medium which seems about right tbh but I bet anyone selling drivers with one has it set for hard.

[Pretzel]

The roll on monitors can be really funny, as can the "distance boost" feature I found on the monitor at a Golfsmith once. When questioned the salesperson told me to compensate for altitude, which seemed about right (perhaps a bit generous) since the multiplier was at 1.08, but it was pretty fun to mess around with when the salesperson wasn't there to have fun and watch it tell me I hit the ball 375 yards.

[RandallT]

The comments are turning negative on thedanplan: http://thedanplan.com/sadly-the-first-wd-from-a-tourney/

Correct me if I'm wrong, but until now it has been mostly cheery, but the cheerleaders aren't finding much to say with the injuries since April. April 3rd was his first note about back pain affecting his swing. He withdrew from his tourney this past weekend without hitting a shot- probably wise if he needs to recover.

Quote (slightly edited for clarity- you're welcome- although I couldn't find a synonym for "planfulness," cool word):

Following your posts from the beginning, I don’t have the impression that I can see the same eagerness within you. It seems a bit more to me that you are not taking things seriously, but just as they come. I think your plan could have gone a bit more straight forward if your only thought from dusk till dawn would be to make it onto the tour.

There are slight signs (for example, that you have played irons with a wrong lie for several years) that add to that impression and so maybe it lacks a bit of planfullness and you take two steps forth and then one back and I think you didn’t yet really find your way. I would even say if after the 10’000 hours you didn’t make it on the tour that would not be a prove for being impossible to achieve that for an average talented person – provided this person offered this eagerness.

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I just hope that what I am prepare to say is going to wake up dan. It’s the last time that I try to wake him up. I am not trying to make him change is mind, I already accept his decision not to want my help. Like mister Stefan say above I don’t see no eagerness at all. Because I know what it take to go to that level, I can say that dan is going to the wrong direction.

[krupa]

I don't know why anyone is surprised at the results so far.  10,000 hours is a long freaking time to devote to something you had zero previous interest in.  And that is something about the deliberate practice studies that Dan chose to ignore from the beginning: that is, the fact that the "experts" in the study started in their field (e.g., playing violin) at a young age by essentially playing .  They found they enjoyed it and had an aptitude for it and then developed further.

No one wakes up and says, "ya know, I have never surfed before in my life, but I think I'll dedicate 10,000 hours and become a professional at it" and reaches that goal.  I mean, WTF!?

[Nosevi]

The comments are turning negative on thedanplan: http://thedanplan.com/sadly-the-first-wd-from-a-tourney/

I liked the word 'Planfulness' as well and intend to use it from now on .

I think the lack of 'planfulness' really hits the nail on the head though. Can anyone actually tell me what the plan bit of The Dan Plan is because it's something I've struggled to work out? I can't really see any structure, targets, tracking of targets, assessment......... basically I can't see a plan. All I really see is someone playing lots of golf and hoping that in 10,000 they'll be good enough.

[b101]

I liked the word 'Planfulness' as well and intend to use it from now on .

I think the lack of 'planfulness' really hits the nail on the head though. Can anyone actually tell me what the plan bit of The Dan Plan is because it's something I've struggled to work out? I can't really see any structure, targets, tracking of targets, assessment......... basically I can't see a plan. All I really see is someone playing lots of golf and hoping that in 10,000 they'll be good enough.

But there must be planfulness - he even has his own five step model!

"Want to learn how to set off on your own Dan Plan? Start here and we will send you a five step guide to launching your Dan Plan"

Just mad...

[Nosevi]

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Originally Posted by Nosevi

I liked the word 'Planfulness' as well and intend to use it from now on .

I think the lack of 'planfulness' really hits the nail on the head though. Can anyone actually tell me what the plan bit of The Dan Plan is because it's something I've struggled to work out? I can't really see any structure, targets, tracking of targets, assessment......... basically I can't see a plan. All I really see is someone playing lots of golf and hoping that in 10,000 they'll be good enough.

But there must be planfulness - he even has his own five step model!

"Want to learn how to set off on your own Dan Plan? Start here and we will send you a five step guide to launching your Dan Plan"

Just mad...

Anyone want to have a stab at what the 5 steps contained in the Dan Plan guide are?

Where's @Shorty when you need him ......

[MrFlipper]

Without sounding too cynical (if that's possible) it just occurred to me that this may be Dan's new plan. His exit/transition plan.

Hear me out:

So Dan knows he isn't getting better and isn't going to get better. He isn't really trying to get better. But now he can say "I was gonna make it, but I got hurt. I can't play any more at a pro level. But if I hadn't gotten hurt, I could have done it" (play Rocky music)

He has to be sure that he doesn't really fully recover from this injury for this gig to work out.

And he transitions into Inspiration Guy full time, inspiring others to follow their dreams. Motivational speaking. Reach for the stars! Be like me!

Appearing at fundraisers, golf related charities, etc. Raising money full time. A beacon of hope to hackers (and non-golfers) everywhere. You can do this! I did it (or was going to, I got this close! But it's the journey is what's important!)

Write an inspiring "follow your dreams" book. All the angst, depression, haters, and then the final triumph through strength and perseverance!

Transition into a sports celebrity, not just a golf celebrity.

Maybe a golf instruction book "How to go from a complete beginner to a 3 handicap in 3 years"

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he's not that calculating (he really hasn't been so far). But I think he's giving up on his "tour dream" and looking to turn this into some sort of peripheral golf celebrity gig. Note all the recent charity stuff, and lack of interest in serious golf stuff. But he's gotta do it quick before the few people who have heard of him completely forget about him.

Getting the article in SW magazine was maybe the first step in the new plan. But press like that won't come easily, he better move fast!