The Dan Plan - 10,000 Hours to Become a Pro Golfer (Dan McLaughlin)

[DrvFrShow]

And @Nosevi we can enter rounds with gimmes, and we're supposed to enter all rounds including so-called casual rounds for handicap purposes. This can lead to vanity handicapping.

Rounds are not entered by the club but at a computer inside the club by the player. An internet entered score is simply one entered at home or on your cellphone.

So if I want a real handicap, I guess should enter only my competition rounds (weekly league & tournament) in the GHIN.

Enter my practice rounds and weekly league and tournament in Game Golf for my own use now that I have this system. I know this isn't what the handicap system wants, but it eliminates the gimmes and other crap like the lost ball + 2 stroke drops from the scoring system for when it comes to getting a real handicap for tournament play.

[Nosevi]

And @Nosevi we can enter rounds with gimmes, and we're supposed to enter all rounds including so-called casual rounds for handicap purposes. This can lead to vanity handicapping.

Rounds are not entered by the club but at a computer inside the club by the player. An internet entered score is simply one entered at home or on your cellphone.

So if I want a real handicap, I guess should enter only my competition rounds (weekly league & tournament) in the GHIN.

Enter my practice rounds and weekly league and tournament in Game Golf for my own use now that I have this system. I know this isn't what the handicap system wants, but it eliminates the gimmes and other crap like the lost ball + 2 stroke drops from the scoring system for when it comes to getting a real handicap for tournament play.

Interesting. Anyway it could possibly go some way to explain really good stats if rounds are included that allow gimmees etc. Maybe guys only enter them if they have no gimmees and no pick-ups etc. I played a pairs matchplay round yesterday and my playing partner had a bit of a nightmare off the tee. On a couple of occasions after I had a good drive away and was wedging into the green, he didn't bother playing a second ball off the tee - he knew I was a par at worst and he'd be a par at best so there was frankly no point.

[Lihu]

[QUOTE name="DrvFrShow" url="/t/45853/the-dan-plan-10-000-hours-to-become-a-pro-golfer-dan-mclaughlin/3204#post_1154692"]   And @Nosevi we can enter rounds with gimmes, and we're supposed to enter all rounds including so-called casual rounds for handicap purposes. This can lead to vanity handicapping. Rounds are not entered by the club but at a computer inside the club by the player. An internet entered score is simply one entered at home or on your cellphone. So if I want a real handicap, I guess should enter only my competition rounds (weekly league [/QUOTE] Interesting. Anyway it could possibly go some way to explain really good stats if rounds are included that allow gimmees etc. Maybe guys only enter them if they have no gimmees and no pick-ups etc. I played a pairs matchplay round yesterday and my playing partner had a bit of a nightmare off the tee. On a couple of occasions after I had a good drive away and was wedging into the green, he didn't bother playing a second ball off the tee - he knew I was a par at worst and he'd be a par at best so there was frankly no point.

I wouldn't believe that's the case either, but the main thing is to avoid sandbagging. It's not a pride thing at all, this is to protect the field. For example, if someone makes 8 greens and 3 putts 6 of them from 2 foot second putts that's very suspect. So if the ball is even something like 2 feet away, they sometimes force a gimme even though some players can actually miss them with great frequency.

[Faksakes]

Without sounding too cynical (if that's possible) it just occurred to me that this may be Dan's new plan. His exit/transition plan. Hear me out: So Dan knows he isn't getting better and isn't going to get better. He isn't really trying to get better. But now he can say "I was gonna make it, but I got hurt. I can't play any more at a pro level. But if I hadn't gotten hurt, I could have done it" (play Rocky music) He has to be sure that he doesn't really fully recover from this injury for this gig to work out. And he transitions into Inspiration Guy full time, inspiring others to follow their dreams. Motivational speaking. Reach for the stars! Be like me! Appearing at fundraisers, golf related charities, etc. Raising money full time. A beacon of hope to hackers (and non-golfers) everywhere. You can do this! I did it (or was going to, I got this close! But it's the journey is what's important!) Write an inspiring "follow your dreams" book. All the angst, depression, haters, and then the final triumph through strength and perseverance! Transition into a sports celebrity, not just a golf celebrity. Maybe a golf instruction book "How to go from a complete beginner to a 3 handicap in 3 years" Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he's not that calculating (he really hasn't been so far). But I think he's giving up on his "tour dream" and looking to turn this into some sort of peripheral golf celebrity gig. Note all the recent charity stuff, and lack of interest in serious golf stuff. But he's gotta do it quick before the few people who have heard of him completely forget about him. Getting the article in SW magazine was maybe the first step in the new plan. But press like that won't come easily, he better move fast!

That doesn't make much sense as unless he succeeds in his goals he has no value as a speaker, writer, etc. He can't make money if he fails. There's nothing to sell.

[Unkynd]

The original post said he was doing 6 hours per day, 6 days per week, for 6 years. Did he abandon that part of the "plan" and burn through his hours much faster? Also, it seems like he's been counting his playing time as practice which doesn't seem to be in the spirit if 10000 hours of focused practice.

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by MrFlipper

Maybe a golf instruction book "How to go from a complete beginner to a 3 handicap in 3 years"

That doesn't make much sense as unless he succeeds in his goals he has no value as a speaker, writer, etc. He can't make money if he fails. There's nothing to sell.

Might be an interesting read. It certainly would be interesting to see things from his perspective.

[Faksakes]

Might be an interesting read. It certainly would be interesting to see things from his perspective.

Possibly but not many would buy it. Even if he sold 50,000 copies he won't make anything really.

[iacas]

Possibly but not many would buy it. Even if he sold 50,000 copies he won't make anything really.

That's not really true. Let's say the book costs $5.50 to print. Let's say it costs $2.72 to ship. Let's say he sells it for $19.99. That's over ten bucks a book sold.

He won't sell 50k. He probably wouldn't sell 5k.

[Faksakes]

That's not really true. Let's say the book costs $5.50 to print. Let's say it costs $2.72 to ship. Let's say he sells it for $19.99. That's over ten bucks a book sold. He won't sell 50k. He probably wouldn't sell 5k.

You way overestimate what he could sell it for but regardless made my point. Even making $10/book selling 5000 copies he'd only make 50k. If he self published he won't be able to sell a book anywhere near $20 especially if the experiment fails. Either way it makes him a few thousand at most. If he went to a publisher hed get a buck a copy. My point originally being there's no money in this if he fails therefore no point in him doing this for the money unless he thought he could achieve his goals. Even 50k comes nowhere close to recouping what he would have spent/lost in income over the experiments duration. If he made a pro cut everything changes. Book would sell big, motivation circuit, tv show appearances etc. If it fails he won't earn f-all and I'm sure he knew that going in. Nobody but hard core golf fans are going to pay to read about a failed experiment.

[iacas]

You way overestimate what he could sell it for but regardless made my point. Even making $10/book selling 5000 copies he'd only make 50k. If he self published he won't be able to sell a book anywhere near $20 especially if the experiment fails. Either way it makes him a few thousand at most. If he went to a publisher hed get a buck a copy.

You do realize I've sold thousands of copies of a book that I self-published, right? And we get more than $19 for it… And $50k is a decent income for a year. And you said "even if he sells 50k copies." I can only respond to what you actually type, man, not read your mind! :)

[Faksakes]

You do realize I've sold thousands of copies of a book that I self-published, right? :-)  And we get more than $19 for it… And $50k is a decent income for a year. And you said "even if he sells 50k copies." I can only respond to what you actually type, man, not read your mind! :)

I hear ya, I assume to sell 50k copies that you'd more than likely need a publisher and then he'd get a tiny cut. We're in agreement that he's not going to make any real money, that's the point. What's the name of your book? Is there a kindle edition? Always like to support fellow golfers.

[Faksakes]

Oh and 50k for a year is decent but his project is years which makes it really poor.

[iacas]

Oh and 50k for a year is decent but his project is years which makes it really poor.

You're still kind of missing the point. If at the end he can take a few months to write a book and makes $50k, that's $50K for a few months of work. He's ALREADY done the other stuff.

[Shorty]

I hear ya, I assume to sell 50k copies that you'd more than likely need a publisher and then he'd get a tiny cut. We're in agreement that he's not going to make any real money, that's the point. What's the name of your book? Is there a kindle edition? Always like to support fellow golfers.

I'm pretty sure that there is no kindle edition so that fellow golfers don't "support" each other by sharing it around for free.

[Faksakes]

You're still kind of missing the point. If at the end he can take a few months to write a book and makes $50k, that's $50K for a few months of work. He's ALREADY done the other stuff.

No you're missing the point. Someone suggested he's in this for the money. I said it didn't make sense to spend years doing this for the money as he'd at most earn 50k for what amounts to 4 or 5 years worth of work (his time and loss of income). That's 10-13K per year. Saying it's just the time spent writing the book is silly and doesn't address the discussion being had. If he's doing this project for the money (as someone suggested) and he's only going to come out with 50k, it's not worth it (this is my point) to be in it for the money. He could have made more at MacDonalds during that time period. That's the discussion. I'm not saying he will succeed, I'm saying it was his intent, otherwise the project doesn't make sense to attempt. He has obviously been trying to monetize this or had the intent to monetize this from the start. If he fails they're be very little money to be made. 50K is probably extremely generous, I doubt very much he'll make that.

[Faksakes]

I'm pretty sure that there is no kindle edition so that fellow golfers don't "support" each other by sharing it around for free.

Fair enough, what's the name of the book do you know?

[Mac62]

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Originally Posted by Shorty

I'm pretty sure that there is no kindle edition so that fellow golfers don't "support" each other by sharing it around for free.

Fair enough, what's the name of the book do you know?

Lowest Score Wins - http://lowestscorewins.com/

Great read, btw - a lot different (and better) than many of the BS golf books on the market.

[Faksakes]

Lowest Score Wins - http://lowestscorewins.com/

Great read, btw - a lot different (and better) than many of the BS golf books on the market.

Interesting, I'll check it out. Thanks.