The Dan Plan - 10,000 Hours to Become a Pro Golfer (Dan McLaughlin)

[nevets88]

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Originally Posted by nevets88

Pivot point? That other plan in Australia, saw a FB post, eh, not interesting. More emphasis on working out than I care for. I am done with these types of plans, the myswing threads here are more grounded in reality. Disappointing, discouraging, why did I ever get swept up in it and the media, not that that should be surprising. Yeah, and Malcolm Gladwell, pffffft.

An interesting tweet in some ways though - what big changes I wonder.....

Not golf I hope, don't sense an authentic enjoyment of it.

[Nosevi]

[QUOTE name="Nosevi" url="/t/45853/the-dan-plan-10-000-hours-to-become-a-pro-golfer-dan-mclaughlin/3460_10#post_1198874"]   [QUOTE name="nevets88" url="/t/45853/the-dan-plan-10-000-hours-to-become-a-pro-golfer-dan-mclaughlin/3450#post_1198833"] Pivot point? That other plan in Australia, saw a FB post, eh, not interesting. More emphasis on working out than I care for. I am done with these types of plans, the myswing threads here are more grounded in reality. Disappointing, discouraging, why did I ever get swept up in it and the media, not that that should be surprising. Yeah, and Malcolm Gladwell, pffffft. [/QUOTE] An interesting tweet in some ways though - what big changes I wonder.....[/QUOTE] Not golf I hope, don't sense an authentic enjoyment of it.

It's from a 'fellow' photographer and still no update to the 10,000 hours countdown since the begining of May. I may be reading too much into it......

[Phil McGleno]

The Dan Plan is Dead.

[Pretzel]

The Dan Plan is Dead.

Correction: The Dan Plan Was Dead

[Nosevi]

The Dan Plan is Dead.

Is this insider knowledge, Phil, or an educated guess (based on the fact he's not posting, playing, answering questions etc)?

[Pretzel]

Just to clarify, my correction included the past tense to convey that the Dan Plan being dead was nothing new. I think we started discussion on the idea that Dan was looking for an exit strategy to end it soon after he started playing in tournaments.

[Nosevi]

If this is indeed the end I wonder how people view it overall? Looking back over the thread and Dan's blog it seems like attitudes towards him changed over time from supportive to, well, not so supportive. It's kind of ironic because he didn't change what he was doing at all. Maybe that's a major factor - people just felt frustrated because they could see what Dan was doing wasn't working and yet those that tried to 'steer' Dan into doing it differently were pretty much ignored. Question is, was that Dan's fault? I had some amusing chats on Dan's blog with a guy called Richard Chen (remember him? Perhaps you're still reading one of his entries ......) and if I were Dan I think I'd have politely ignored some of his advice. And then others gave hugely helpful tips which also seemed to be ignored. My call is Dan couldn't work out which were useful and which weren't and so ignored the lot and just kept on doing what he was doing. This got him to a certain point but wasn't going to get him further. Overall I think Dan gave it his best shot. I think he was a little 'economical' with how well it was going when asked in interviews etc (saying how low he had got rather than where he was now) but he must have sat there seeing it slowly slipping away which must have been hard - it's not as if he didn't invest a bit of time in this. Kind of hope this is an enforced break rather than the end. I still think he could go further if he'd just reassess how he goes about it, just playing lots of golf isn't going to cut it. If it is a break I don't really get why there's no announcement on his blog to that affect. If this is the end of the Plan I don't buy the whole motivational speaking gig. On his Twitter account the description reads "On a mission to prove, by dedicating 10,000 hours of deliberate practice to a completely new field of expertise, that nothing is impossible in life." Well if that was the mission and the target was playing on tour, I'm not convinced you'll motivate anyone by showing that some things are in fact impossible. Some form of success towards the stated goal was needed in order to go down that route in my opinion.

[garybbq]

If this is indeed the end I wonder how people view it overall?

Looking back over the thread and Dan's blog it seems like attitudes towards him changed over time from supportive to, well, not so supportive. It's kind of ironic because he didn't change what he was doing at all. Maybe that's a major factor - people just felt frustrated because they could see what Dan was doing wasn't working and yet those that tried to 'steer' Dan into doing it differently were pretty much ignored.

Question is, was that Dan's fault? I had some amusing chats on Dan's blog with a guy called Richard Chen (remember him? Perhaps you're still reading one of his entries ......) and if I were Dan I think I'd have politely ignored some of his advice. And then others gave hugely helpful tips which also seemed to be ignored. My call is Dan couldn't work out which were useful and which weren't and so ignored the lot and just kept on doing what he was doing. This got him to a certain point but wasn't going to get him further.

Overall I think Dan gave it his best shot. I think he was a little 'economical' with how well it was going when asked in interviews etc (saying how low he had got rather than where he was now) but he must have sat there seeing it slowly slipping away which must have been hard - it's not as if he didn't invest a bit of time in this.

Kind of hope this is an enforced break rather than the end. I still think he could go further if he'd just reassess how he goes about it, just playing lots of golf isn't going to cut it. If it is a break I don't really get why there's no announcement on his blog to that affect. If this is the end of the Plan I don't buy the whole motivational speaking gig. On his Twitter account the description reads "On a mission to prove, by dedicating 10,000 hours of deliberate practice to a completely new field of expertise, that nothing is impossible in life." Well if that was the mission and the target was playing on tour, I'm not convinced you'll motivate anyone by showing that some things are in fact impossible. Some form of success towards the stated goal was needed in order to go down that route in my opinion.

Haha yah I remember old Richard Chen, did he ever post or send you his swing like you requested?

[Nosevi]

[QUOTE name="Nosevi" url="/t/45853/the-dan-plan-10-000-hours-to-become-a-pro-golfer-dan-mclaughlin/3456#post_1200986"] If this is indeed the end I wonder how people view it overall? Looking back over the thread and Dan's blog it seems like attitudes towards him changed over time from supportive to, well, not so supportive. It's kind of ironic because he didn't change what he was doing at all. Maybe that's a major factor - people just felt frustrated because they could see what Dan was doing wasn't working and yet those that tried to 'steer' Dan into doing it differently were pretty much ignored. Question is, was that Dan's fault? I had some amusing chats on Dan's blog with a guy called Richard Chen (remember him? Perhaps you're still reading one of his entries ......) and if I were Dan I think I'd have politely ignored some of his advice. And then others gave hugely helpful tips which also seemed to be ignored. My call is Dan couldn't work out which were useful and which weren't and so ignored the lot and just kept on doing what he was doing. This got him to a certain point but wasn't going to get him further. Overall I think Dan gave it his best shot. I think he was a little 'economical' with how well it was going when asked in interviews etc (saying how low he had got rather than where he was now) but he must have sat there seeing it slowly slipping away which must have been hard - it's not as if he didn't invest a bit of time in this. Kind of hope this is an enforced break rather than the end. I still think he could go further if he'd just reassess how he goes about it, just playing lots of golf isn't going to cut it. If it is a break I don't really get why there's no announcement on his blog to that affect. If this is the end of the Plan I don't buy the whole motivational speaking gig. On his Twitter account the description reads "On a mission to prove, by dedicating 10,000 hours of deliberate practice to a completely new field of expertise, that nothing is impossible in life." Well if that was the mission and the target was playing on tour, I'm not convinced you'll motivate anyone by showing that some things are in fact impossible. Some form of success towards the stated goal was needed in order to go down that route in my opinion.[/QUOTE] Haha yah I remember old Richard Chen, did he ever post or send you his swing like you requested?

Nope. I'll try to act surprised.......

[garybbq]

Nope. I'll try to act surprised.......

That's too bad, I thought you were pretty clever with the "swing based on science".

[Nosevi]

[QUOTE name="Nosevi" url="/t/45853/the-dan-plan-10-000-hours-to-become-a-pro-golfer-dan-mclaughlin/3456#post_1200995"] Nope. I'll try to act surprised.......[/QUOTE] That's too bad, I thought you were pretty clever with the "swing based on science".

I only vaguely remember what I said. It was more the way the good Mr Chen could break the swing down into a ridiculously complicated equation and give reems of advice on how to swing a club but sort of stalled when you said "Show me." Maybe a little unfair to 'call him out' but I wanted to see what the perfect scientific swing looked like. Alas, we'll never know :-)

[RandallT]

Don't know where he is with golf, but maybe this injury has taught him how to get healthy, so he discovered the bible and wrote up a new e-book and called it, yes, The Daniel Plan!  (this was one of the top Google results for "Dan Plan McLaughlin back injury golf", sorted by recency- to see if any news was happening):

[nevets88]

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Don't know where he is with golf, but maybe this injury has taught him how to get healthy, so he discovered the bible and wrote up a new e-book and called it, yes, The Daniel Plan! (this was one of the top Google results for "Dan Plan McLaughlin back injury golf", sorted by recency- to see if any news was happening):

Disclaimer, disclaimer, disclaimer. Lions sold separately.

[ChrisWev]

Haha, that leaflet is brilliant :)

Anything mentioning a combination of "free", "get healthy","xx day plan", "biblical principles" is:

• Not going to be free
• Not going to work
• Not be backed up by any meaningful evidence

[RandallT]

Not going to be free

Not going to work

Not be backed up by any meaningful evidence

Just like the Dan Plan. We've come full circle.

Ouch- I've gotten harsh. I joined TST a while back via Dan Plan google search leading me here, and I was a hopeful skeptic, very newly returned to golf in my own life. Now here I am googling Dan Plan again, a little more golf experience under my belt, with a nastier attitude and negative disposition about it all. Shame on me!

[ChrisWev]

In all honesty I actually feel sorry for Dan and wouldn't expect the guys form over the pond to be this critical.

Here in the UK many love to shoot a trier down,especially the press, it's poor form really.

I would love to see how many critical people on here have done as well as he has in similar time frames, starting late in life (which is certainly harder) and with limited physical ability.

At a guess he's probably been going 5 years and 6000 hours which is about a 3hr per day average.

There's a lot of guys on here who will have been playing 10 years at 2 rounds per week and be on similar time frames and not broke 80 yet, some won't have even broke 90.

I've seen guys on my course that are about 50, have been members 20 years, play three times a week and have handicaps of 20 (not sure how) but you never see them shoot less than 100 in stroke play.

Then again that proves the 10,000 hour thing just doesn't work. They've probably put in 50,000 hours and are still crap.

On another note: https://twitter.com/TheDanielPlan

[nevets88]

[QUOTE name="ChrisWev" url="/t/45853/the-dan-plan-10-000-hours-to-become-a-pro-golfer-dan-mclaughlin/3450_30#post_1201365"]   [LIST] [*] Not going to be free [*] Not going to work [*] Not be backed up by any meaningful evidence [/LIST] [/QUOTE] Just like the Dan Plan. We've come full circle. Ouch- I've gotten harsh. I joined TST a while back via Dan Plan google search leading me here, and I was a hopeful skeptic, very newly returned to golf in my own life. Now here I am googling Dan Plan again, a little more golf experience under my belt, with a nastier attitude and negative disposition about it all. Shame on me!

But you found a place w/smart guys and straight shooters who are working very hard to figure this game out. I'd say you came out ahead.

[newtogolf]

Dan never appeared to have a real plan that laid out specific skills he'd work on and the method he'd use to determine if he'd acquired them.  In the last two years he seemed to lose interest or realize that he wasn't likely going to achieve his end goal.  Instead of re-evaluating his plan he seemed to focus on gaining and exploiting his fame.  This year has been a waste due to an injury but who knows what he's really doing?   Is he really injured or just using this time to be "off the clock" and improve his swing so he doesn't have to fudge his handicap.