The Dan Plan - 10,000 Hours to Become a Pro Golfer (Dan McLaughlin)

[newtogolf]

10 minutes ago, collapse said:

Ok great...and?...so?....he is doing his own  thing and people are hoping he will crash and burn.

How about you read the thread and blog first then comment.

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Just now, Pretzel said:

Because I tend to dislike those who blatantly lie while freely taking money/publicity from others. That is what Dan is doing.

Call me petty, but I enjoy watching people who previously profited from dishonestly lose what they gained as a result of said dishonesty.

Well again you are going beyond the topic into areas which seem to be your opinion.

3 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Not really, the "crash and burn part" is only because of his demeanor at his early interviews. He was a little bit of a blowhard knocking all the golfers who took years to get to where they were. You really need to read and watch his early interviews, he was somewhat arrogant and had a "swagger" as @Shorty put it.

I am still waiting for some references that support anything you say.

[Lihu]

2 minutes ago, collapse said:

Well again you are going beyond the topic into areas which seem to be your opinion.

I am still waiting for some references that support anything you say.

 

[Pretzel]

Just now, collapse said:

Well again you are going beyond the topic into areas which seem to be your opinion.

I would call it less of an opinion and more of a theory supported by evidence. He has yet to post a round, under close observation, that is under 80 and matches what you might expect a 2-3 handicap player to shoot. It is a fact that he has taken money from people as a result of the progress that he has very likely falsified.

The topic is to discuss The Dan Plan, meaning my opinion IS on topic. I am discussing the fact that I believe him to be a phony and a bit of a fraud. I've pointed out earlier that, as a result of his monetized blog, he should have forfeited his amateur status long ago yet he continues to play in amateur tournaments. The only reason I find that remotely okay is because he's so far out of contention that it isn't harming any players who are contending for titles.

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12 minutes ago, Pretzel said:

I would call it less of an opinion and more of a theory supported by evidence. He has yet to post a round, under close observation, that is under 80 and matches what you might expect a 2-3 handicap player to shoot. It is a fact that he has taken money from people as a result of the progress that he has very likely falsified.

The topic is to discuss The Dan Plan, meaning my opinion IS on topic. I am discussing the fact that I believe him to be a phony and a bit of a fraud. I've pointed out earlier that, as a result of his monetized blog, he should have forfeited his amateur status long ago yet he continues to play in amateur tournaments. The only reason I find that remotely okay is because he's so far out of contention that it isn't harming any players who are contending for titles.

My interest is his task,not what your speculative views are.No one has authoritatively challenged his HC thus far.I have not seen any evidence that he has done anything wrong during this golf experiment.

[Pretzel]

4 minutes ago, collapse said:

My interest is his task,not what your speculative views are.No one has authoritatively challenged his HC thus far.I have not seen any evidence that he has done anything wrong during this golf experiment.

Then you have not actually read much of this thread. I recommend you take a look at the thread (specifically some of the posts made my @RandallT which might help you find what you're looking for) before you make such broad statements.

Off the top of my head, one of the easiest things to say that he did wrong during the golf experiment is that he denied @iacas's offer of free golf instruction for an entire summer, potentially even going so far as snubbing him entirely (I don't remember reading whether or not Dan ever actually replied to the offer). He claims to be struggling financially, and yet turns down an offer of free instruction for an entire summer.

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1 minute ago, Pretzel said:

Then you have not actually read much of this thread. I recommend you take a look at the thread (specifically some of the posts made my @RandallT which might help you find what you're looking for) before you make such broad statements.

Off the top of my head, one of the easiest things to say that he did wrong during the golf experiment is that he denied @iacas's offer of free golf instruction for an entire summer, potentially even going so far as snubbing him entirely (I don't remember reading whether or not Dan ever actually replied to the offer). He claims to be struggling financially, and yet turns down an offer of free instruction for an entire summer.

Again,if you have some proof of his wrong doing, post it.As for the rest of the post....whatever?

[Pretzel]

2 minutes ago, collapse said:

Again,if you have some proof of his wrong doing, post it.As for the rest of the post....whatever?

I refuse to do the work that you yourself are too lazy to do. Please go back through the thread if you would like to see evidence, I am not your personal search assistant.

[Lihu]

16 minutes ago, collapse said:

My interest is his task,not what your speculative views are.No one has authoritatively challenged his HC thus far.I have not seen any evidence that he has done anything wrong during this golf experiment.

Agree, I don't think he intentionally defrauded anyone.

However, I don't think he was that well versed in playing by ROG. While playing in the tournaments, he ended up playing strictly by ROG and ended up shooting consistently 10-15 strokes higher than he should have being the 2-3 HC he thought he was. He probably could shoot 75 on his home course enough times to get to a 2HC-3HC, but given his driving distance and the fact that his home course tended to have lots of doglegs I doubt he can play a championship course without serious approach shots. This is why his handicap is not quite accurate.

I'm also reasonably confident that he didn't analyze the courses and pick his current home course to make his HC look better.

 

8 minutes ago, Pretzel said:

Then you have not actually read much of this thread. I recommend you take a look at the thread (specifically some of the posts made my @RandallT which might help you find what you're looking for) before you make such broad statements.

Off the top of my head, one of the easiest things to say that he did wrong during the golf experiment is that he denied @iacas's offer of free golf instruction for an entire summer, potentially even going so far as snubbing him entirely (I don't remember reading whether or not Dan ever actually replied to the offer). He claims to be struggling financially, and yet turns down an offer of free instruction for an entire summer.

Fully agree, but he was "on top of the world" at the time feeling like he was going to get lots of offers.

Seriously, Erik spent about 5-10 minutes with me, and now I can use a graphite shafted club and I can state truthfully that I gained 20 yards on the very next shot he helped me with. . .

 

5 minutes ago, collapse said:

Again,if you have some proof of his wrong doing, post it.As for the rest of the post....whatever?

Wrong? or just stupid? I'll go with "stupid doing". . .

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1 minute ago, Pretzel said:

I refuse to do the work that you yourself are too lazy to do. Please go back through the thread if you would like to see evidence, I am not your personal search assistant.

Sorry my friend,you are the one making accusations,the burden is on you.

[Lihu]

9 minutes ago, collapse said:

Sorry my friend,you are the one making accusations,the burden is on you.

We should just go with Dan's ignorance of the ROG and lack of experience that could have bumped a more qualified individual from playing in the OR Amateur.

He was not actually a 2 HC when he "qualified" for the tournament, and could have bumped someone else who had a chance to place by signing up first. If you are not qualified to play in a tournament, you should not be playing in it.

It's kind of dishonest to place yourself in the same category as qualified individuals and potentially denying them the ability to compete by some technicality.

[Pretzel]

8 minutes ago, collapse said:

Sorry my friend,you are the one making accusations,the burden is on you.

This is where you're wrong. You asking me to find proof, and I told you how you can find it. You then refused to put forth any effort. That is pretty close to the definition of lazy.

la·zy

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adjective

 

1. 1.

   unwilling to work or use energy.

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3 minutes ago, Lihu said:

We should just go with Dan's ignorance of the ROG and lack of experience that could have bumped a more qualified individual from playing in the OR Amateur.

He was not actually a 2 HC when he "qualified" for the tournament, and could have bumped someone else who had a chance to place by signing up first. If you are not qualified to play in a tournament, you should not be playing in it.

It's kind of dishonest to place yourself in the same category as qualified individuals and potentially denying them the ability to compete by some technicality.

It may come as a surprise to you but many people enter tournaments with less than accurate HC.Actually,many people in golf world lie about their handicaps-yes! As for Dan,you need to be much more specific than what you have written.

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30 minutes ago, collapse said:

My interest is his task,not what your speculative views are.No one has authoritatively challenged his HC thus far.I have not seen any evidence that he has done anything wrong during this golf experiment.

So is it your contention that every recorded handicap is accurate and that their aren't any vanity cappers or sandbaggers?  Just because no one cares enough to challenge Dan's handicap doesn't mean the handicap is accurate.

[Lihu]

4 minutes ago, collapse said:

It may come as a surprise to you but many people enter tournaments with less than accurate HC***.Actually,many people in golf world lie about their handicaps-yes! As for Dan,you need to be much more specific than what you have written.

That's. . .really. . .not. . .good***. . .

Dan entered the OR Amateur as a 2 HC, and he was clearly not at that level of play for any length of time. I think most people that play are in a club and have an established handicap for some period of time. It's not entirely honest, and not really dishonest either. Not very ethical though.

 

 

***OTOH, I play skins games, and am starting to get better at it. Need to take advantage of this situation.

 

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Just now, newtogolf said:

 

So is it your contention that every recorded handicap is accurate and that their aren't any vanity cappers or sandbaggers?  Just because no one cares enough to challenge Dan's handicap doesn't mean the handicap is accurate.

I fully appreciate that many HC are lied about.His HC hasn't been proven any less valid than any of the other 23 million out there.

3 minutes ago, Lihu said:

That's. . .really. . .not. . .good***. . .

Dan entered the OR Amateur as a 2 HC, and he was clearly not at that level of play for any length of time. I think most people that play are in a club and have an established handicap for some period of time. It's not entirely honest, and not really dishonest either. Not very ethical though.

 

 

***OTOH, I play skins games, and am starting to get better at it. Need to take advantage of this situation.

 

Sorry, but I think you are being a bit naive.

[Lihu]

1 minute ago, collapse said:

I fully appreciate that many HC are lied about.His HC hasn't been proven any less valid than any of the other 23 million out there.

True, but 23 million people are not claiming to become a PGA Tour pro with 10,000 hours of deliberate practice.

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2 minutes ago, collapse said:

I fully appreciate that many HC are lied about.His HC hasn't been proven any less valid than any of the other 23 million out there.

Sorry, but I think you are being a bit naive.

@collapse,

I recommend you read the thread before you accuse any poster of anything. You are incorrect in your assumptions about Pretzel, etc.