2011 U.S. Open

[michaeljames92]

  Shorty said:

Originally Posted by Shorty

I think that probably the most offensive thing I have seen is Bubba Watson and his military get up this week. Absurd, to say the least. The idea of a highly paid athlete (and I know his father was in the military, so what?) getting dressed up with camo and stars etc. etc. to go and play golf makes me sick. If it's some kind of "tribute" it's lost on me, in the same way that people like Fowler (who I really like) have to curry favour with the institution they did their "degree" at.  Seems like mindless sucking up and guaranteeing yourself media coverage and fans. I just don't get it. I get a putter cover or a logo somewhere, but to drape yourself in it from head to toe seems cringeworthy to me.

Yeah it is a little. I suppose its the whole American thing where they wear their heart on their sleeves about their military services where most others countries are a bit more discreet. Thats more of a one off sort of thing and it's for charity so its hard to criticise. I agree with you on the whole decking out of their alma mater. It is a bit gay. I'm a West Coast Eagles supporter, but I dont dress in Blue and Gold and have Eagle headcovers...

[senorchipotle]

  zeg said:

Originally Posted by zeg

I don't see the problem.  I thought it was (very mildly) amusing to group people together by country or region of origin, and while AK is American, he is (obviously) of Asian descent and they needed to fill out a threesome.  Simple awareness of race is not the same as racism.

really? you don't see the problem with grouping the french, the italians, and the spanish(which is fine cause it's a matter of nationality not race), then turning around and grouping 3 random asian guys, not based on nationality but based on race. that is by definition, RACIST. there's no two ways about it. if they'd grouped yang, choi, and the other south korean you'd hear nothing from me on the subject. but what they did is flat out unacceptable. hypothetical scenario: if they'd grouped tiger with two other random black guys, you better believe they'd have gotten called out.

[Yukari]

I agree.  I cannot believe some people got their shorts all bunched up their a$$ over this.  AK is of Korean descent.  Yang is also of Korean decescent.  Ishikawa is Japanese (just a hop-skip-and-jump from Korea).  Why is pairing of Asians together would be considered racist?  USGA paired the group of similar territorial descent.  What's the big deal?  How is that being a racist?  Good God people! Open your mind and stop being so closed-minded!

  Zeph said:

Originally Posted by Zeph

AK is asian in appearence, which makes him closer to Yang and Ishikawa than most guys. I don't see what the big fuzz is about. People should stop pulling the racism card all the time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Definition of racism

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Morgan Freeman on the subject.

[sean_miller]

  michaeljames92 said:

Originally Posted by michaeljames92

Yeah it is a little. I suppose its the whole American thing where they wear their heart on their sleeves about their military services where most others countries are a bit more discreet.

The Korean players could wear their actual military uniform.

PS. @ Shorty (too lazy to multi-quote) LOFL at Rickie Fowler and "degree" in the same sentence. The closest he's getting to a degree is the antipersipirant section at the pharmacy!!

[darkhunter139]

  Zeph said:

Originally Posted by Zeph

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkhunter139

I have been sick the past two days so I basically watched the US open all day, why the hell does coverage start earlier on Thursday/Friday than on the weekend!! It makes no sense, I'd like to start watching now.

Because the players tee off earlier on thursday and friday, they tee off on both front nine and back nine, allowing the producers to give us footage from a larger amount of players.

Ahh I see, that makes sense.  Thanks for clearing that up, can't wait until coverage starts at 2!

[sean_miller]

  senorchipotle said:

Originally Posted by senorchipotle

really? you don't see the problem with grouping the french, the italians, and the spanish(which is fine cause it's a matter of nationality not race), then turning around and grouping 3 random asian guys, not based on nationality but based on race. that is by definition, RACIST. there's no two ways about it. if they'd grouped yang, choi, and the other south korean you'd hear nothing from me on the subject. but what they did is flat out unacceptable. hypothetical scenario: if they'd grouped tiger with two other random black guys, you better believe they'd have gotten called out.

I think it was a strange combination and it didn't need to be.

I'm also extremely offended that they didn't group the Canadians together - they just put them together with other random white guys - I'm starting a letter writing campaign as we speak.

[michaeljames92]

Yeah I agree. THEY GROUPED 3 CAUCASIAN AMERICANS TOGETHER! RACISM USGA!

  Yukari said:

Originally Posted by Yukari

I agree.  I cannot believe some people got their shorts all bunched up their a$$ over this.  AK is of Korean descent.  Yang is also of Korean decescent.  Ishikawa is Japanese (just a hop-skip-and-jump from Korea).  Why is pairing of Asians together would be considered racist?  USGA paired the group of similar territorial descent.  What's the big deal?  How is that being a racist?  Good God people! Open your mind and stop being so closed-minded!

[Wildcat]

Bubba Watson's outfits are similar to special uniforms used by some other American professional and amateur sports teams who have a connection to the military or raise money for military-related charity. The San Diego Padres, for instance, have a camo jersey they wear somewhat regularly, because San Diego is a big navy town.

Similarly, Fowler's display of university pride isn't uncommon in America. The all-orange takes it a bit further than most, but Oklahoma State has one of the US's premier college golf teams. A lot of Americans have an almost family bond to the school they attended for undergrad, whether or not they graduated (and if I had stood to make millions playing golf, I would have passed up graduating, as well).

Not to say that either outfit is actually attractive, mind you.

[sean_miller]

  Wildcat said:

Originally Posted by Wildcat

Bubba Watson's outfits are similar to special uniforms used by some other American professional and amateur sports teams who have a connection to the military or raise money for military-related charity. The San Diego Padres, for instance, have a camo jersey they wear somewhat regularly, because San Diego is a big navy town.

Similarly, Fowler's display of university pride isn't uncommon in America. The all-orange takes it a bit further than most, but Oklahoma State has one of the US's premier college golf teams. A lot of Americans have an almost family bond to the school they attended for undergrad, whether or not they graduated (and if I had stood to make millions playing golf, I would have passed up graduating, as well).

Not to say that either outfit is actually attractive, mind you.

That makes sense since the Navy is quite famous for their camo fatigues!!

[MiniBlueDragon]

  B-Con said:

[quote name="MiniBlueDragon" url="/forum/thread/47501/2011-u-s-open/144#post_614950"]

You're right; Phil was "unlucky" but Rory "felt invincible" even though their end result was the same.

I wonder who you're supporting...

If you watch the post-match interview with Rory he even says it was a little more left than he wanted it to be as he aimed at the front right of the green but got a bit of grass between the club and ball and it turned over more than he wanted; it wasn't a "gamble" or him feeling "invincible".

Phil had no choice, he had to hit between trees. Rory aimed at a pin tucked behind watery from a long way away when he has an alternative option available. It's obvious, one played the shot they had, the other chose a difficult shot. [edi]It was a gamble, he was hitting from the rough, and going for a tight shot like that from that kind of lie is definitely somewhat of a gamble. I'm not saying Rory was dumb, but both players had the same result. One was forced into it, the other took a risk.[/edit][/quote] You clearly know more about Rory's golf than he does. He says he aimed front right but turned over too much as he had grass between club and ball but you know better and he deliberately aimed left. :rolleyes:

[zeg]

  senorchipotle said:

Originally Posted by senorchipotle

really? you don't see the problem with grouping the french, the italians, and the spanish(which is fine cause it's a matter of nationality not race), then turning around and grouping 3 random asian guys, not based on nationality but based on race. that is by definition, RACIST. there's no two ways about it. if they'd grouped yang, choi, and the other south korean you'd hear nothing from me on the subject. but what they did is flat out unacceptable. hypothetical scenario: if they'd grouped tiger with two other random black guys, you better believe they'd have gotten called out.

Really, I don't see the problem.

And emphatically, no, it is not "by definition, RACIST."  There was already one post with a dictionary definition of racism so I won't post another, but like I said already, merely using race as a basis for *something* is not racism.  It's only when you do something discriminatory or express a belief that members of a race are inferior or superior to others that it is "by definition, RACIST."  Noting that some guy's parents were Korean and grouping him with a Korean and Japanese guy doesn't come close.

Due to the specific history in the US and in golf, it would be touchier with black golfers, sure.  Tiger Woods is a terrible example due to his mixed ethnic background.  If, however, you grouped a hypothetical first-generation American-born black golfer with Namibian parents with Schwartzel and Els, would that be a problem?  What if it were a couple of black South Africans in the group?

It's fine if you think it's poor taste to do the groupings like that, but it's simply incorrect to label it as "racist."  I personally doubt AK had a problem with it, most first-generation Asian-Americans I know identify pretty strongly with their roots and would be amused by it if anything.

[Kieran123]

Who the *** cares about the pairings. They're not racist. They're just interesting pairings for spectators to watch.

Why do people try and find negatives in stuff like this. You're thinking too hard - it's simply interesting pairings, and by the 3rd round, pairings are decided by how the players have scored. ie. a northern irishmen with a korean today

Nothing to see here. Move along

Back on topic: Simpson is playing very well. I expect a lot of low scores today with the tees up on the par 5s, soft greens etc

[Ignorant]

  senorchipotle said:

Originally Posted by senorchipotle

really? you don't see the problem with grouping the french, the italians, and the spanish(which is fine cause it's a matter of nationality not race), then turning around and grouping 3 random asian guys, not based on nationality but based on race. that is by definition, RACIST. there's no two ways about it. if they'd grouped yang, choi, and the other south korean you'd hear nothing from me on the subject. but what they did is flat out unacceptable. hypothetical scenario: if they'd grouped tiger with two other random black guys, you better believe they'd have gotten called out.

Wow, man, you really are paranoid.

[deasy55]

It wasn't racist as I said before. But the thing is, the USGA said to themselves "Lets pair all the foreigners together". That is very simple minded.

[Tiger Spuds]

Yeah, not racist, but it was a strange decision on their part.

Also found Bubba's camo gear a bit annoying, especially since he's also wearing a watch worth half a million dollars. The kind of money you can be sure those soldiers he's 'supporting' ain't ever gonna see. It all seems a little shallow to me, but then again he's entitled to wear what he wants.

[senorchipotle]

  Tiger Spuds said:

Originally Posted by Tiger Spuds

Also found Bubba's camo gear a bit annoying, especially since he's also wearing a watch worth half a million dollars. The kind of money you can be sure those soldiers he's 'supporting' ain't ever gonna see. It all seems a little shallow to me, but then again he's entitled to wear what he wants.

+1

[Tiger Spuds]

I just read that Bubba's wearing that outfit to raise money for charity, so obviously you have to give him credit. Maybe he should donate that watch too though, eh.?

[darkhunter139]

  Tiger Spuds said:

Originally Posted by Tiger Spuds

Yeah, not racist, but it was a strange decision on their part.

Also found Bubba's camo gear a bit annoying, especially since he's also wearing a watch worth half a million dollars. The kind of money you can be sure those soldiers he's 'supporting' ain't ever gonna see. It all seems a little shallow to me, but then again he's entitled to wear what he wants.

How is that shallow? He gives a lot more money to charity than I will ever be able to afford to do.  I don't care if he wants to wear a nice watch, its his money.

He does not have to donate/raise anything if he didn't want to.