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WOW this kid got robbed of an ace in a competition!  i don't think i have ever seen anyone play slow enough to penalize their ace!!! like some one in the article said he would have had to lay down and take a nap before i could make that call.  have you guys ever heard of such a thing?????

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Seems good to me. Junior players are S-L-O-W. I'm all for enforcing pace of play policies.

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I really, really dont understand how some golfers play slow. I can play 9 holes in 50 mins to an hour without anyone on the course, and still shoot a good score.

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If he was the slow one, I bet it's lesson learned. If he wasn't slow, but had to wait repeatedly on a fellow competitor in the group, it's a travesty.

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  iacas said:
Originally Posted by iacas

Seems good to me. Junior players are S-L-O-W. I'm all for enforcing pace of play policies.


No Erik.  Slow players are S-L-O-W!  Juniors are J-U-N-I-O-R-S that learn slow play from adults and the Tour Players they watch on TV.

Most Juniors at my club play quickly and complain about the old farts plumb-bobbing every putt.


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Still an ACE, just scored as a birdie.  kinda sux, but if the group ahead were on the 6th green or 7th tee box when he hit the shot, and had been warned ALREDY prior to the 5th hole,, shame; but the rub of the rules.




  andymane said:
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http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/blog/devil_ball_golf/post/Slow-pace-lose-the-ace-slow-play-penalty-negat?urn=golf-wp3880

WOW this kid got robbed of an ace in a competition!  i don't think i have ever seen anyone play slow enough to penalize their ace!!! like some one in the article said he would have had to lay down and take a nap before i could make that call.  have you guys ever heard of such a thing?????

Rules are rules I guess, Live and learn.




  kpaulhus said:
Originally Posted by kpaulhus

I really, really dont understand how some golfers play slow. I can play 9 holes in 50 mins to an hour without anyone on the course, and still shoot a good score.



IMO Golf has NEVER been a speed sport, Where I work we require a 2 hour per 9 hole round, If it is cart path only maybe 2:10 or 2:15.

Not hard to plat 9 holes of golf on a crowded course in 2 hours or less.


No. Slow players are slow. Junior players can be just as fast as anyone else, you know. In fact, I've seen junior(13-14 year olds) 3 balls play rounds in under 3 hours when nobody is in front of them.

  iacas said:
Originally Posted by iacas

Seems good to me. Junior players are S-L-O-W. I'm all for enforcing pace of play policies.






  Golf'nBiker said:
Originally Posted by Golf'nBiker

Still an ACE, just scored as a birdie.  kinda sux, but if the group ahead were on the 6th green or 7th tee box when he hit the shot, and had been warned ALREDY prior to the 5th hole,, shame; but the rub of the rules.



sorry guy, ACE means "1", it was a hole out from the tee.  Unfortunate

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They had already received a warning and penalty by the fifth hole? They must've really been dragging their feet. [quote name="imtomtomim" url="/forum/thread/51611/slow-pace-lose-the-ace#post_629997"]



sorry guy, ACE means "1", it was a hole out from the tee.  Unfortunate

[/quote] Definitely a hole-in-one. One swing, holed out. It's about the action, not the recorded score. Regardless of the term, he scored a hole-in-one that was penalized by the committee outside of the manner in which he conducted his swing. Once a legal hole-in-one occurs, you can't "take it away"; it's already happened.



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  deasy55 said:
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No. Slow players are slow. Junior players can be just as fast as anyone else, you know. In fact, I've seen junior(13-14 year olds) 3 balls play rounds in under 3 hours when nobody is in front of them.


Nope, junior players are slow. I stand by that. By and large, overall, juniors are the slowest people out there. They take everything so seriously, have to go through their checklist, have their routines, get distracted, and don't have a clue what "ready golf" is or how it works. Slow play has been increasing, and as new players enter the game, they are increasingly failed to be educated on how to play at an appropriate pace.

Duh "slow people are slow." That's a pretty pointless thing to say. Of course there are fast juniors and slow seniors. But the average pace of play of juniors is slower in similar settings than it is with any other age group. It's a generalization, folks, and you might not like 'em, but they're true.

I think everyone - everyone - deserves a kick in the ass. Get going. Hit the damn ball. Juniors need to see how to play quickly. I was taught - or learned on my own - how to play quickly. I know where to leave my bag, where to park the cart, how to do as much as I can before I hit my shot so I can fire pretty quickly after the previous guy's ball stops moving (or before, if it's a casual round i.e. ready golf). Everyone needs to speed up.

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What was even more interesting was that the original article (here) indicates that all 3 players appealed the ruling and the other two player's penalties were changed and his is the only one that stood.  It doesn't say why, though.

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Originally Posted by TheGeekGolfer

What was even more interesting was that the original article (here) indicates that all 3 players appealed the ruling and the other two player's penalties were changed and his is the only one that stood.  It doesn't say why, though.


I believe that's fairly standard procedure and the intended result is that if one or two of the three people are responsible, then the players who tried to play fast won't be penalized. In other words, the committee must have decided that the one guy was solely responsible for the slow play, or responsible enough that he shouldered the burden all by himself.

Similar things have happened in U.S. Am qualifying, I believe, last year perhaps. I think two of the three players got a penalty. And the LPGA Tour has doled out some penalties too.

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  imtomtomim said:
Originally Posted by imtomtomim

sorry guy, ACE means "1", it was a hole out from the tee.  Unfortunate

Semantics!  A HIO is an ACE...meaning ONE shot! Now put your feet in this kids shoes..."Hey TomTom, have you ever had an ACE"?  No, I holed one out from the tee for a birdie"  C'mon, be honest, you may have explained the birdie, but indeed an ACE!  SHoot, I'd go buy myself a HIO trophy!!  If it were a provisional, then I'd HAVE to say NO..IT WAS A HOLE OUT FROM THE TEE! this was an ACE...w/a penalty!  bet old Connor moves out smartly the next time he plays tho!




Have you guys ever played with someone that is horribly slow? Now imagine if he was warned about being so slow previously.. and then on one hole he continues to take his time, yet manages to shoot a hole-in-one. Don't you think a penalty is in order, regardless of the circumstances? I don't think I'd let the guy celebrate one bit.. Great hole-in-one birdie dude..

People seem to be giving him some sort of credit and i'm guessing its either, 1) for being young, or 2) for getting a hole-in-one. Yet they disregard the fact that he was warned and was clearly the guilty party in the group.

He isn't entitled to anything but a lesson learned.

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  iacas said:
Originally Posted by iacas

I believe that's fairly standard procedure and the intended result is that if one or two of the three people are responsible, then the players who tried to play fast won't be penalized. In other words, the committee must have decided that the one guy was solely responsible for the slow play, or responsible enough that he shouldered the burden all by himself.

I am seeing some irony in this. Maybe he was the slowest of the group, but then he get's penalized on the hole where he certainly was the quickest of the group. Maybe he should have tried to use that as an indication that he tried to catch up...




  iacas said:
Originally Posted by iacas

I believe that's fairly standard procedure and the intended result is that if one or two of the three people are responsible, then the players who tried to play fast won't be penalized. In other words, the committee must have decided that the one guy was solely responsible for the slow play, or responsible enough that he shouldered the burden all by himself.

Similar things have happened in U.S. Am qualifying, I believe, last year perhaps. I think two of the three players got a penalty. And the LPGA Tour has doled out some penalties too.


I thought it was odd that the article didn't explain any of that.  I agree, there should be some recourse so all players don't get penalized for one person being slow.  Yes, he could've been the one who 'caused' most or all of the slow play, but as one of the other posters said, he did apparently try to speed things up (unless he took too much time celebrating?).

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