Signed up with Evolvr

[TN94z]

Well, I finally got my tripod and camera and have signed up with Evolvr.  I worked last year fixing some issues and then was forced to take a break from the game for a bit.  As I was watching my videos that I uploaded, I noticed many of my bad habits were back.  That's pretty frustrating!!!   But hopefully with the help of Evolvr, I can get them out of my game once again.  No wonder my handicap is higher!!

[TN94z]

I got my first analysis from evolvr.  WOW!!  It was a really in depth analysis with great explanation. I am pretty excited to hit the range and get to work on the suggestions!

[The Gill]

Keep up updated and post your videos. I plan on signing up for Evolvr at the end of the season so it's good to hear positive results.

[TN94z]

I went to the range yesterday and worked on the changes.  They felt different but a good different.  I can now see how bad my swing had gotten.  I noticed two things that were really night and day difference:

1) I used to have an issue with my shoulder popping frequently in my back swing.  I just thought it was a flexibility issue and didn't worry so much about it.  With these initial changes, I now see that it was a major swing flaw that was causing this.  I went the entire practice session yesterday and it didn't happen once.  That was unusual.  After an email to Michael, his explanation made perfect sense.

2) The sound is much better.  I immediately noticed a sound difference with my irons but especially when I hit my driver.  This confirms that I am on the right track.

The takeaway changes will take some time to get used to, but they were DEFINITELY needed!!  I will post up a before and after video in a few weeks after there is significant change that can be seen.

[TN94z]

Well, I haven't had much range time the last few weeks so I have not gotten any videos uploaded in a little bit.  I have been working on the last changes when I get a chance.

With that being said, I played a 2 man scramble this past weekend and played the absolute worst golf I have played in years.  It was really terrible!!  This is due more to my lack of play than the swing changes.  The swing changes show signs of brilliance when I get everything worked out.  When I nail the swing with the changes I have been working on, the power is effortless and my distance increases significantly.  I found that I would top my driver quite a bit last weekend...along with my 3w.  But when I hit the solid, man the flight was beautiful. I made a smooth swing with my driver (no where near the speed of my usual swing) and hit the ball solid....I ended up on the fringe of the par 4 number 2 hole in the scramble and had the distance to win the long drive (I didn't get it because someone hit their drive almost as far but was dead nuts on the line and accuracy was part of the contest).  I love the fact that the draw is coming back in my swing.   I just need more time to get it right.

Also, I finally got a chance to put my new Titleist 910Fd 3w in play.  Man I crush this thing!!  There is no use in using my driver much at all.  And as far as hitting it off the turf as well, I smashed it off the turf with no issues.

[TN94z]

I've been working on my changes again.  I got some new videos uploaded and received a VERY fast analysis.  I now have my new issues to work on and then we will go from there.  I will show a before and after of my changes once my swing gets a little better.  It's making progress though!  My good shots are really good but I still have my misses right now as well.  So far, evolvr is GREAT and to my surprise is better than a lot of the one on one instruction I have had locally.  I like the fact that I can go back and look at my analysis video and listen to my new tasks and listen to the analysis again.  You lose that once you leave the in person instruction.  As far as I'm concerned, I will be using evolvr until I get to scratch!

[The_Pharaoh]

Good luck! I've also signed up to Evolvr and need to get started on my homework this week. I have a busy day tomorrow and Wednesday, but hope to get out there on Thursday for a good session. Upload your changes when you get a chance.

[tristanhilton85]

It's good to hear that it is working so well for you... I finally got a promotion at work and I think I will be getting lessons soon...  The only decision now is whether to go with a local guy or with Evolvr but at this point I'm leaning toward Evolvr...

[iacas]

You're making nice progress. Once you get to scratch, though, you'll want to get to +1, then +2... ;-)

[gwlee7]

For those of you who are not sure, this is what the evolvr guys have helped me do in a year:

[TN94z]

Originally Posted by tristanhilton85

It's good to hear that it is working so well for you... I finally got a promotion at work and I think I will be getting lessons soon...  The only decision now is whether to go with a local guy or with Evolvr but at this point I'm leaning toward Evolvr...

I really like the convenience of evolvr and the fact that I have everything that has been talked about for viewing over and over.  But obviously nothing would compare to hands on instruction as long as the teacher is a good one.  I have a good teacher semi locally but that "semi" accounts for a lot of time and money.  With evolvr, it's pretty much on my terms and the lesson takes place in my living room.  If your local guy is good and you "click" with him, then you can't lose.  But IMO, you can't lose with Evolvr either.  The guys at Golf Evolution really know their stuff and really know how to explain it in a very easy way.  Good luck

Originally Posted by iacas

You're making nice progress. Once you get to scratch, though, you'll want to get to +1, then +2... ;-)

The good thing right now is that most of my work has been in the takeaway and back swing.  Those are things that I can work on in my living room.  I make A LOT of takeaway swings in my living room.  It has really helped.

I hope that is a problem I have in the future.....working on getting to +1 and +2

[sean_miller]

For those not sure, a video of you hitting balls (or playing a hole or two) with your old swing and new swing might help. Hitting a different position on the back swing take a year exactly how?

Originally Posted by gwlee7

For those of you who are not sure, this is what the evolvr guys have helped me do in a year:

[mvmac]

I've been working on my changes again.  I got some new videos uploaded and received a VERY fast analysis.  I now have my new issues to work on and then we will go from there.  I will show a before and after of my changes once my swing gets a little better.  It's making progress though!  My good shots are really good but I still have my misses right now as well.  So far, evolvr is GREAT and to my surprise is better than a lot of the one on one instruction I have had locally.  I like the fact that I can go back and look at my analysis video and listen to my new tasks and listen to the analysis again.  You lose that once you leave the in person instruction.  As far as I'm concerned, I will be using evolvr until I get to scratch!

Very happy to hear everything is working out! Thanks for taking the time to share your experience, much appreciated [quote name="gwlee7" url="/t/52727/signed-up-with-evolvr#post_657781"]

For those of you who are not sure, this is what the evolvr guys have helped me do in a year[/quote] Great work, amazing how this change has helped with downswing/followthrough pieces [quote name="sean_miller" url="/t/52727/signed-up-with-evolvr#post_657854"]

For those not sure, a video of you hitting balls (or playing a hole or two) with your old swing and new swing might help. Hitting a different position on the back swing take a year exactly how?[/quote] Because he's probably been doing it incorrectly for years and needs to put in many, many hours to make the changes stick. The other thing that makes it so hard is that he doesn't feel what he's doing wrong, just feels "natural". Needs to feel different so we can find a happy medium.

[bunkerputt]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

For those not sure, a video of you hitting balls (or playing a hole or two) with your old swing and new swing might help. Hitting a different position on the back swing take a year exactly how?

Originally Posted by mvmac

Because he's probably been doing it incorrectly for years and needs to put in many, many hours to make the changes stick. The other thing that makes it so hard is that he doesn't feel what he's doing wrong, just feels "natural". Needs to feel different so we can find a happy medium.

Changes take time.  Some take more time than others.  Some stick quickly, others are just tough to nail.  For example, I was able to modify my takeaway path just by thinking about it one day and then doing a couple of practice swings.  I haven't thought about it since and it has stuck.  Others are more difficult, how the arms work in the transition for example.  The move is more dynamic so it's really tough to de-ingrain (ungrain? ) .  I'm a couple of weeks in and still hopelessly wandering in slow-motion.  You have to consider the kinds of changes you are making to assess whether you made them quickly or not.  Also, as we get older and full of hundreds of golf swings, our brains lose some of their nice elastic properties and it takes, what feels like a complete and utterly impossible paradigm shift to move 1" in any direction.  It takes a kick in the sack sometimes to get your eyes open.  Kudos to gwlee77 for the time and effort.

[The_Pharaoh]

Originally Posted by bunkerputt

Changes take time.  Some take more time than others.  Some stick quickly, others are just tough to nail.  For example, I was able to modify my takeaway path just by thinking about it one day and then doing a couple of practice swings.  I haven't thought about it since and it has stuck.  Others are more difficult, how the arms work in the transition for example.  The move is more dynamic so it's really tough to de-ingrain (ungrain? ).  I'm a couple of weeks in and still hopelessly wandering in slow-motion.  You have to consider the kinds of changes you are making to assess whether you made them quickly or not.  Also, as we get older and full of hundreds of golf swings, our brains lose some of their nice elastic properties and it takes, what feels like a complete and utterly impossible paradigm shift to move 1" in any direction.  It takes a kick in the sack sometimes to get your eyes open.  Kudos to gwlee77 for the time and effort.

Great post, you've really hit the nail on the head. Especially the part about the transition. I am really struggling with that. This is why I only hit 30 balls a day (during a 3 hour session). I am making many, many practice swings before hitting a ball and video a lot of my practice swings to see if I'm close to what I'm looking for. If after 30 balls and 3 hours I haven't got it, I go home and prepare for the next day's attack!

[gwlee7]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

For those not sure, a video of you hitting balls (or playing a hole or two) with your old swing and new swing might help. Hitting a different position on the back swing take a year exactly how?

I guess I could post them both.   Hold on a minute and I'll be right back:

Here's the swing on the left:

And here's the swing on the right:

As you can see, the "before" swing looks like someone who is killing a snake with a hoe.  Mind you, I was playing off as low as a 4.7 handicap with that swing but only when the moon, stars, and planets all aligned themselves perfectly.  I know how to chip and putt tremenedously well and it's nothing for me to hit 3 or 4 greens and still shoot in the mid 70's.  I decided that I wanted to move to a more consistent swing and it's been very, very hard to take that amount of standing up and crossing the line out of my swing.  Like mvmac said, I never felt like I was standing up at all and as far as I knew, I was "steady" on the ball.  The thing is that I play so much golf that it took a lot of practice to move my plane even as much as we have now and I still have a long ways to go.

Now, here's the part that causes most people to stall out on lessons.  I have actually been playing worse at times over this past year and you just don't know how many PMs I have sent iacas and dave wedzik complaining and moaning about it.  However, I am smart enough to know that in changing things in the front of my swing, I am going to have to slowly stop making the compensations that I make for faults I used to have at the outset of my swing.  That's what most people don't realize and why they say "XYZ" can't teach or that type of swing doesn't work.   I had such a steep move back down to the ball that I couldn't hit it worth a crap when I was cleaning up my backswing.  I was still compensating for all of the "lift" that isn't there anymore.

So yes, it took a year to get this far.  And yes, I am extremely happy because when it is all said and done, there is little doubt in my mind that I will be twice the golfer that I am now.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by gwlee7

Quote:

Originally Posted by sean_miller

For those not sure, a video of you hitting balls (or playing a hole or two) with your old swing and new swing might help. Hitting a different position on the back swing take a year exactly how?

I guess I could post them both.   Hold on a minute and I'll be right back:

Here's the swing on the left:

And here's the swing on the right:

As you can see, the "before" swing looks like someone who is killing a snake with a hoe.  Mind you, I was playing off as low as a 4.7 handicap with that swing but only when the moon, stars, and planets all aligned themselves perfectly.  I know how to chip and putt tremenedously well and it's nothing for me to hit 3 or 4 greens and still shoot in the mid 70's.  I decided that I wanted to move to a more consistent swing and it's been very, very hard to take that amount of standing up and crossing the line out of my swing.  Like mvmac said, I never felt like I was standing up at all and as far as I knew, I was "steady" on the ball.  The thing is that I play so much golf that it took a lot of practice to move my plane even as much as we have now and I still have a long ways to go.

Now, here's the part that causes most people to stall out on lessons.  I have actually been playing worse at times over this past year and you just don't know how many PMs I have sent iacas and dave wedzik complaining and moaning about it.  However, I am smart enough to know that in changing things in the front of my swing, I am going to have to slowly stop making the compensations that I make for faults I used to have at the outset of my swing.  That's what most people don't realize and why they say "XYZ" can't teach or that type of swing doesn't work.   I had such a steep move back down to the ball that I couldn't hit it worth a crap when I was cleaning up my backswing.  I was still compensating for all of the "lift" that isn't there anymore.

So yes, it took a year to get this far.  And yes, I am extremely happy because when it is all said and done, there is little doubt in my mind that I will be twice the golfer that I am now.

If you're convinced you're a better player now, then I'm happy with that, but I was just commenting on your absolute confidence in the two pictures. Consistent impact positions versus random impact positions might be more telling for a skeptic like me.

[dtb300]

People and Lessons....no matter what the sport...  People think if they take a lesson they will MIRACULOUSLY transform over night.   They do not realize the time and effort required with making physical changes.

Lessons and making change will take time and effort as I stated above, but your ability to perform above the level you were before, will go up and down like a roller coaster.  One week you are ready to join the Tour, and the next week you are ready to take up Tiddly Winks.  :)   Stay the course as old habits creep in VERY QUICKLY, where new habits take much longer.

If you are  thinking of taking lessons, be ready to commit yourself - time and effort, and realize physical changes take time to ingrain into your subconsciousness.  How much time?  Really depends on the individual.

One last thing...do not hesitate to change coaches if you feel you and your coach just do not click.  Sometimes it take time to find the right person to jell with your type of learning capabilities.  Are you analytical and need to know each and every step and why?  Do you need to see something demonstrated in order for you to understand it?  And many more items on learning (search Funderstanding on the net for some information).  Understanding how YOU learn, is crucial, and your coach should be trying to unwrap the inner you and how you learn best.