Simple, Specific, Slow, Short, and Success - The Five "S"s of Great Practice

[iacas]

1 hour ago, JonMA1 said:

A couple question about range work (for anyone)... At some point in the session, do the short swings become full swings? Do you take what you've been working on for most of the hour and see if it can be applied at full speed?

No.

You do it at 30% until you can do it at that speed or length almost every time.

Then you do it at 35%.

Then 40%.

Eventually it becomes 100%.

You don't go from 30 to 100.

After you get to 100 the right way… you get to 100 without having to think about it.

 

[JonMA1]

21 minutes ago, iacas said:

No.

You do it at 30% until you can do it at that speed or length almost every time.

Then you do it at 35%.

Then 40%.

Eventually it becomes 100%.

You don't go from 30 to 100.

After you get to 100 the right way… you get to 100 without having to think about it.

 

I had no idea. I mean, when working on my priority this past winter, I didn't just execute it a couple times and jump right up to full swings. I repeated the 30-50% partial swings for weeks (because it took that long to get near 100%). I remember holding back for a while at about 80% and even going back to partials when I'd fail, but I did jump pretty fast to the full swing. 

It was even worse with the driver of late. The slow partial swings did wonders - got it up to a 100% success rate fairly quickly. But then I went straight to near full swings too soon. What had been very encouraging on the range just fell apart on the course. 

I'll take your advice. 

[amishboy51]

I’m re-reading this thread again. Too bad there’s no way to make it (and others) “pop-up” automatically every New Year’s! 

[iacas]

Just now, amishboy51 said:

I’m re-reading this thread again. Too bad there’s no way to make it (and others) “pop-up” automatically every New Year’s! 

Well posting in it as you did will do just that!

[Slowcelica]

On 10/12/2015 at 7:45 AM, iacas said:

Yes. That's precisely the type of stuff that's at play. You're still "myelinating" at slower speeds, AND you're hitting a golf ball. I am not a huge fan of "mapping" except to find feels.

Can you explain the difference between mapping in a swing, and a slow swing? 

[iacas]

6 minutes ago, Slowcelica said:

Can you explain the difference between mapping in a swing, and a slow swing? 

Mapping is ridiculously slow, and you don't really even hit a ball at all. It's usually so slow you just end up pushing the ball a few feet forward.

I don't know that "mapping" does anything at all, because it's not really dynamic at all.

[Slowcelica]

2 minutes ago, iacas said:

Mapping is ridiculously slow, and you don't really even hit a ball at all. It's usually so slow you just end up pushing the ball a few feet forward.

I don't know that "mapping" does anything at all, because it's not really dynamic at all.

Got it thanks. I apparently have been doing a lot of mapping when I should have been doing 10%,20%,30%, etc... swings.

[iacas]

Just now, Slowcelica said:

Got it thanks. I apparently have been doing a lot of mapping when I should have been doing 10%,20%,30%, etc... swings.

I don't know. That's just my opinion. @mvmac may disagree and may like mapping.

[Slowcelica]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

I don't know. That's just my opinion. @mvmac may disagree and may like mapping.

I have trouble turning mapping into a swing, and I think I could improve my practice by doing say a 20% swing making they change, and then speed up when I can. I'm going to give that a try instead of mapping.

[Lihu]

3 minutes ago, Slowcelica said:

Got it thanks. I apparently have been doing a lot of mapping when I should have been doing 10%,20%,30%, etc... swings.

Slow movements seem to work for me and my kids as well. Holding a position might not give your body the same effect as moving slowly?

I guess it kind of depends upon how you best learn new movements?

 

Just now, Slowcelica said:

I have trouble turning mapping into a swing, and I think I could improve my practice by doing say a 20% swing making they change, and then speed up when I can. I'm going to give that a try instead of mapping.

I'm sure results vary depending upon the person.

[HJJ003]

Confession: I'm Henry and I have been an improper practicer for my entire golfing life. 

Per some advice from @iacas on myswing thread I have read through this thread, re-read this section of LSW and read the thread on "changing the picture". I have done some slow work at home, but today I am headed to the range for the first time to actually spend an entire session practicing slow and specific movements trying to make changes in my swing. I hope I can truly enjoy the process even if it takes a while to make progress. 

Curious- how long did it take for some of you to make some swing changes while using the 5 "S's of great practice? 

[iacas]

8 minutes ago, HJJ003 said:

Curious- how long did it take for some of you to make some swing changes while using the 5 "S's of great practice? 

That's going to depend pretty heavily on a LOT of things.

[HJJ003]

8 minutes ago, iacas said:

That's going to depend pretty heavily on a LOT of things.

Understood. I am guessing some of those "things" would be how often and how specific you get during your sessions? 

[iacas]

9 minutes ago, HJJ003 said:

Understood. I am guessing some of those "things" would be how often and how specific you get during your sessions? 

How skilled you are, how big a change the piece is, how often you get to practice, how ingrained the "old" thing is, how attentive you can be, how good your proprioception is, what guidance you have…

[HJJ003]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

How skilled you are, how big a change the piece is, how often you get to practice, how ingrained the "old" thing is, how attentive you can be, how good your proprioception is, what guidance you have…

Makes sense...sounds like trying to make any significant changes to anything else in life. Well I will document my progress in my swing thread..hopefully I have good news to report in time. 

[Slowcelica]

Here’s a video that got me thinking about this again, I don’t necessarily agree with it though. But would you say his “slow motion” swings are really mapping swings?

 

[iacas]

1 hour ago, Slowcelica said:

Here’s a video that got me thinking about this again, I don’t necessarily agree with it though. But would you say his “slow motion” swings are really mapping swings?

 

Any specific piece? I'd rather not watch 31 minutes…

[billchao]

44 minutes ago, iacas said:

Any specific piece? I'd rather not watch 31 minutes…

I'm guessing what he does at 25:53. I don't like it. That's not mapping, that's not practicing, that's nothing, really. It's a guy looking weird at the driving range.

I didn't watch it, either. Just randomly skimmed through some parts and happened to catch that part.