Players Needed!!! Join the TST 2012 Forward Tees Experiment!!!

[chris3putt]

Course Name : Nelson Golf Links, Nelson, New Zealand

Course Website : nelson@golf.co.nz

Course Style : Seaside links, pot bunkers, windy.

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 6610 Yds, NZSCR rating 70.8, Slope 120

Regular Tee Average Score : 88

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 5923 Yds, NZSCR 69.4 , Slope 116

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 83

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) :80

I didn't read the part about how to change the slope for the women's tees. Have now changed it according to the formula that Erik provided. I'm looking forward to trying this out, probably playing on my ownsome on a crisp New Zealand Spring morning................

[Hoganwoods]

Course Name: Pembroke Golf Club
Course Website: http://www.pembrokegolfclub.ca/
Course Style: rural course with some tight holes and some open holes

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope: 6597 / 70.9 / 128
Regular Tee Average Score: 85-87

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope: 5456 / 65.7 / 114
Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round): 76
Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round): 83

My problem are blowup holes, especially some tight Par 5s where you need to commit to your tee shot.  From the ladies tees the driving lines are easier and I should have long/mid irons to each Par 5 in 2 as well as wedges to each Par 3.  I will be chipping in 2 on some Par 4s as well.  If I play conservative I imagine I'll mishit a few 3 irons and have a few bad holes.

[rustyredcab]

Course Name : Prairie Landings

Course Website : http://www.prairielanding.com/

Course Style : links with some target golf holes, windy, big and bumpy greens -- 5 par 5's and 5 par 3's

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 6097/69.9/129

Regular Tee Average Score : 83

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 4859/64.4/115

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 72

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 70

Great idea.

To be clear, on a hole where the forward tees are only 40 yards from where I normally land my ball, do I bump a wedge when playing the conservative round so that I leave the same second shot?

[rustyredcab]

Erik,

I ignored this thread for a long time because I thought it was a "play it forward" thread and I already do. Perhaps including that you are looking for people to help the experiment would be helpful:

PLAYERS NEEDED! TST 2012 Forward Tees Experiment

[chris3putt]

Quoting Erik, "If you're struggling to break 80, perhaps shooting a couple of 73s from some forward tees will be all that you need to be comfortable the next time you're six over with three to play. Or shooting 64 will help you stop backing up when you get a few under par from your regular tees."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimdangles

Who do you think will see more improvement. Some lowcappers being able to drive greens, or hackers having less fat or thin shots to get it into the hole?

Im pretty interested to see how this plays out. I sure hope it helps out as erik hoped. I havent broke 80 but have shot 81 a few times. I hope it helps put me there.

Jimdangels, I'm with you on this one. The main reason I'm doing this is to see if there is some sort of mental block about breaking 80. Like you, I've got close on several occasions, but never managed to pull it off. Maybe this will be the stimulus needed to get out of the comfort zone...............

[LovinItAll]

Originally Posted by Jimdangles

What I find interesting is everyone thinks they will play better if they play it aggressively. I have to imagine that laying up to preffered distances will help me score well compared to 50 yard pitches all day.

We've got three courses, so I picked the course that I think is the least penal hitting driver from the reds. Otherwise, I'd agree with you (because of the trouble, not because I'll be in-between clubs). If a hole is playing 280, I can grip down and hit driver 220 which will leave, for me, a perfect lob wedge.

@Saig55: Is the Cordova CC you're going to play the same course that almost closed (or did close) a few years back? Probably played there a dozen times or so when I lived in Memphis - super tight with all the houses.

[Jeffrey71]

Course Name : Hugo Golf Club

Course Website : www.Hu****lfclub.com

Course Style : open, very hard dry ground

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 6210 yds./69.2/118

Regular Tee Average Score : 88 -90

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 4490 yds./ 61.9 / 103

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 65

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 70

I have no idea about this or what will happen, but it sure sounds fun.

[Amelas]

Course Name : Hunter's Creek Golf Club

Course Website : http://www.golfhunterscreek.com/

Course Style : wooded fairways and firm greens

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 5971 / 67.9 / 117

Regular Tee Average Score : 91-95

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 5510 / 65.1 / 108

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 90

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 86

I feel like my strength are in my shorter irons so for the conservative round, if I focus on hitting fairways, I should score pretty well. I'm not expecting any good scores from the aggressive round.

[MEfree]

Originally Posted by chris3putt

Quoting Erik, "If you're struggling to break 80, perhaps shooting a couple of 73s from some forward tees will be all that you need to be comfortable the next time you're six over with three to play. Or shooting 64 will help you stop backing up when you get a few under par from your regular tees."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimdangles

Who do you think will see more improvement. Some lowcappers being able to drive greens, or hackers having less fat or thin shots to get it into the hole?

Im pretty interested to see how this plays out. I sure hope it helps out as erik hoped. I havent broke 80 but have shot 81 a few times. I hope it helps put me there.

Jimdangels, I'm with you on this one. The main reason I'm doing this is to see if there is some sort of mental block about breaking 80. Like you, I've got close on several occasions, but never managed to pull it off. Maybe this will be the stimulus needed to get out of the comfort zone...............

I definitely think it can be useful for someone trying to break 80 for the first time, BUT, if you have never broken 80, then it is likely that you only flirt with it once every 4 rounds or less often.  If you have one of those good days where you would have flirted with the 70s, then your chances of doing it, quite possibly by a few shots or more is good, but you still have to have one of your better days.  If you put extra pressure on yourself from the start of the round (instead of the pressure you might feel just towards the end when having a chance for the 70s), it may counteract the advantage of less distance.

I have 2 courses I play regularly and am deciding whether to go from my usual blues at 6507 on the River to men`s gold at 5359 or ladies red at 4762 at the one where the tips are 6886 (which I usually play when I am by myself) or go from my regular whites at 6521 on the Ranch to men`s gold at 5842 or lady's red at 5582 with the tips at 7090 (which I have played once).  The River course offers more of a contrast, but can be a bit harder to get out on.  The Ranch is in the process of building some shorter women`s tees, but it doesn`t look like this will be ready this year.  FWIW, both courses are over 9,000 feet elevation, so will be really short regardless.

The experiment is an interesting one, but neither strategy is the one I would use if I was playing the forward tees competitively as I would take a hole by hole approach that I might adjust depending on how I was hitting the ball at the time.

[mazzamouth]

Course Name : Bay Breeze

Course Website : http://www.keesler81fss.us/Golf2.html

Course Style : Open with a breeze from the Ocean, good firm greens

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 6,563   69/121

Regular Tee Average Score : 81

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 5409  70/117

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 76

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) :78

[Jimdangles]

Originally Posted by MEfree

I definitely think it can be useful for someone trying to break 80 for the first time, BUT, if you have never broken 80, then it is likely that you only flirt with it once every 4 rounds or less often.  If you have one of those good days where you would have flirted with the 70s, then your chances of doing it, quite possibly by a few shots or more is good, but you still have to have one of your better days.  If you put extra pressure on yourself from the start of the round (instead of the pressure you might feel just towards the end when having a chance for the 70s), it may counteract the advantage of less distance.

I have 2 courses I play regularly and am deciding whether to go from my usual blues at 6507 on the River to men`s gold at 5359 or ladies red at 4762 at the one where the tips are 6886 (which I usually play when I am by myself) or go from my regular whites at 6521 on the Ranch to men`s gold at 5842 or lady's red at 5582 with the tips at 7090 (which I have played once).  The River course offers more of a contrast, but can be a bit harder to get out on.  The Ranch is in the process of building some shorter women`s tees, but it doesn`t look like this will be ready this year.  FWIW, both courses are over 9,000 feet elevation, so will be really short regardless.

The experiment is an interesting one, but neither strategy is the one I would use if I was playing the forward tees competitively as I would take a hole by hole approach that I might adjust depending on how I was hitting the ball at the time.

Ya I was thinking about that and your right I might flirt with 70's every 4 rounds or so. A month ago I was constintley follow an 81 with a 95. Last 5 rounds or so I have been breaking 90 everytime though so I think my consistency is getting a little better but I would definitely have to have one of my good rounds to get there. I did walk the course that I would be trying it on and saw some differences on some holes and other holes just didnt change that much. Will be interested to see and I will probably start this week.

[chris3putt]

Originally Posted by MEfree

I definitely think it can be useful for someone trying to break 80 for the first time, BUT, if you have never broken 80, then it is likely that you only flirt with it once every 4 rounds or less often.  If you have one of those good days where you would have flirted with the 70s, then your chances of doing it, quite possibly by a few shots or more is good, but you still have to have one of your better days.  If you put extra pressure on yourself from the start of the round (instead of the pressure you might feel just towards the end when having a chance for the 70s), it may counteract the advantage of less distance.

I have 2 courses I play regularly and am deciding whether to go from my usual blues at 6507 on the River to men`s gold at 5359 or ladies red at 4762 at the one where the tips are 6886 (which I usually play when I am by myself) or go from my regular whites at 6521 on the Ranch to men`s gold at 5842 or lady's red at 5582 with the tips at 7090 (which I have played once).  The River course offers more of a contrast, but can be a bit harder to get out on.  The Ranch is in the process of building some shorter women`s tees, but it doesn`t look like this will be ready this year.  FWIW, both courses are over 9,000 feet elevation, so will be really short regardless.

The experiment is an interesting one, but neither strategy is the one I would use if I was playing the forward tees competitively as I would take a hole by hole approach that I might adjust depending on how I was hitting the ball at the time.

Absolutely agree with both the highlighted statements above. The one big thing I have to guard against when playing well is getting ahead of myself. For ANY round, playing it one shot at a time is key.

[iacas]

Keep signing up, people. The more the merrier. Get your friends to sign up too! That way they can share the round with you.

[namkrats]

Course Name :  Bayview Golf and Country Club

Course Website : http://www.bayviewclub.com

Course Style : Traditional Wooded

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 6299/70.4/123

Regular Tee Average Score : 94

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 5481/66.2/114

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 88

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 85

[ApocG10]

Course Name :  Restigouche Golf and Country Club

Course Style : Traditional Wooded

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 6870/72.3/142

Regular Tee Average Score : 70-74

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 5360/66.2/112

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 72

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 69

I know that my conservative score will be better, since when I 'go for it', im going to be driving greens and losing accuracy on a short course. When I play my regular game, I score better. Im a big strategist in everything I do, and I play better golf when I think my way around the course.

I have played the forward tees before, and I shot really low. Laser wedge shots put me in scoring position more often than im used to.

[mvmac]

Course Name : Bernardo Heights Country Club

Course Website : http://www.bhcc.net/Club/Scripts/Home/home.asp

Course Style : Parkland

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 6,748 yards/ 73 / 133

Regular Tee Average Score : 74

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 5601 / 68.8 / 124

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 68

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 70

[Motown88]

Course Name : Prairie Ridge Golf Course

Course Website : Prairie Ridge Golf Course

Course Style : Hilly, Big misses will cause you several strokes.

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 6456 / 69.6 / 116

Regular Tee Average Score : 84

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 5176 / 64.2 / 101

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 76

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 72

[fireman1153]

Originally Posted by Motown88

Course Name: Prairie Ridge Golf Course

Course Website: Prairie Ridge Golf Course

Course Style: Hilly, Big misses will cause you several strokes.

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope: 6456 / 69.6 / 116

Regular Tee Average Score: 84

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope: 5176 / 64.2 / 101

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round): 76

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round): 72

Since we play together on the same course and shoot very similar scores I am going to go with the same predictions but for S & G's I have posted again anyway.  Maybe we should just throw down a skins match while working out these results?  Keeping our stroke by stroke scores as well of course.

Course Name : Prairie Ridge Golf Course

Course Website : Prairie Ridge Golf Course

Course Style : Hilly, Big misses will cause you several strokes.

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 6456 / 69.6 / 116

Regular Tee Average Score : 84

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 5176 / 64.2 / 101

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 76

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 72