• Announcements

    • iacas

      Visit FlagstickRule.com   03/13/2017

      Visit the site flagstickrule.com to read about and sign a petition for the USGA/R&A regarding the one terrible rule in the proposed "modernized" rules for 2019.
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Bucki1968

The "Hope" and the "Clambake".

15 posts in this topic

Maybe it's just me but I was talking with a friend of mine the other day about the tournament at Pebble Beach. We both agreed that it's just not as cool as it used to be. It seems like the celebrities back in the 70's and 80's were bigger names and were much more fun to watch. The same thing goes for the Humana. When Bob Hope was around, this tournament was awesome! The field was much better.  Granted, everyone gets old and things have to change at some point, but it's sad to see what these tournaments have become. I have read some other posts about not watching until Sunday (the At&t;) which I completely understand. It just seems to me that the events have lost some class. I 'm curious as to what you guys (and gals) think.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

I kinda agree. Seems like Pebble was alot more fun to watch in the past. I like the idea of having "Personalities" out there and now it just seems like alot of the proam partners are simply rich guys who happen to be friends with one of the pros.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by jetsknicks1

I kinda agree. Seems like Pebble was alot more fun to watch in the past. I like the idea of having "Personalities" out there and now it just seems like alot of the proam partners are simply rich guys who happen to be friends with one of the pros.

I think that in the past, the "personalities" were just as big (maybe even bigger), but they reserved all of their tomfoolery and jackassery for after the golf, at night, when the cameras weren't around.

In the past I think the celebrities cared a lot about the golf, not just hamming it up. So rounds didn't take fifteen hours, etc.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

In the past there were more true "celebrities, not so many corporate big shots that nobody ever heard of.   Both tournaments have become more like 4 days of the typical Wednesday pro-am, and that's just a bore.  Pebble beach should host a top tier tournament, not the travesty that the former "Crosby" has become, with only a US Open once every decade or so like tossing the dogs a bone.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

There were more Hollywood folks too. Now there are a lot of athletes and coaches, etc.  They tend to ham it up less.  Still, February stinks in New England and I watch to see some green grass.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by Fourputt

In the past there were more true "celebrities, not so many corporate big shots that nobody ever heard of.   Both tournaments have become more like 4 days of the typical Wednesday pro-am, and that's just a bore.  Pebble beach should host a top tier tournament, not the travesty that the former "Crosby" has become, with only a US Open once every decade or so like tossing the dogs a bone.

Totally agree with all of the posters above, but especially this.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Well said Clambake. You are absolutly right, those days are sadly gone. Even this week we will get reminded of golf's cooler time when they play Rivera (Hogan's Alley).

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by Fourputt

In the past there were more true "celebrities, not so many corporate big shots that nobody ever heard of.   Both tournaments have become more like 4 days of the typical Wednesday pro-am, and that's just a bore.  Pebble beach should host a top tier tournament, not the travesty that the former "Crosby" has become, with only a US Open once every decade or so like tossing the dogs a bone.

+1

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

[IMG]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/14/namutavy.jpg[/IMG] Just found this in the closet.
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's always so sad to witness the passing of an era. Nostalgia is truly one of life's greatest emotions.
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by TourSpoon

That's very cool.   What is it embroidered onto?

One of the cool traditions Bing did with the tournament was to commission special whiskey decanters for each year's event (keeping with the theme that the Clambake was really just one big drinking party).    Here's one I have from the 1970 tourney.    There is a little shop at Pebble right beside the pro shop called "Links from the Past" and they have quite a few of these they sell for $200-500.    I found mine on eBay for $15.        They still do these each year for the AT&T;, but they just aren't as classy or interesting looking as the decanters from Bing's day.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Nice, TourSpoon.

Thanks. It's an old black hat with a brown suede brim. [IMG]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/14/a2uzuqy5.jpg[/IMG]

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Besides all the great background that Clambake provided I think one of the major shifts has been the wealth available to the pro golf ranks.  Back in the '30's, 40's and 50's a tour pro made a good but modest living - good by average man wages but not the millions of dollars seen today.  Movie stars and other celebrities had such immense wealth by everyday standards that they could afford to host a tournament and pay the prize money - 1st prize in the 1960 Crosby was $4,000.  The math is simply too different these days - top tour pros make millions in winnings and many times that in endorsements.  Instead of traveling from tournament to tournament in a nice Buick or Cadillac they have their own private jets.  In other words - they have joined the top ranks of celebrities.

I took a look at the 1975 tour winners on Wikipedia - the year I was 15.  The west coast tournaments were dominated by celebrity names - Andy Williams, Bob Hope, Bing Crosby, Jackie Gleason (Florida), Dean Martin, Glen Campbell. And top prize for the year was a whopping $52k at The Jackie Gleason Inverrary Classic.  Used to watch a lot of golf back then with my dad and really miss these classic tournaments.  Of course I miss persimmon woods and balata golf balls too.  Sigh.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2017 TST Partners

    PING Golf
    Leupold Golf
    Snell Golf
    Talamore Golf Resort
    Lowest Score Wins
  • Posts

    • Your swing looks great. You got a lot of time in on it and it shows. What was your handicap when you started? If I am lucky I play once a week and then practice 2-3 at the max with some at home practice.
    • I think a putter fitting is very important. For two things: Aim. Most people can't aim the putter(s) they own. Distance. The weight distribution in the putter greatly affects how well you can hit putts the proper distance.
    • Thanks, interesting, and not surprising. The marketing myths in golf equipment aren't unlike so many consumer products, yet I fall for some of them. Kind makes me wonder why so many folks here stress how important a putter fitting is. I know what length feels comfortable, I can see if the lie is reasonable and I can decide for myself if a putter looks, feels and putts "right" to me. For now I'm going to see if more practice cures my inconsistencies with my old putter.
    • My experience says no but I suppose some change in mechanics could bring about more distance. The major component is your athletic ability. For example, I started playing and hitting my PW 100 yards. I purchased new irons and was up to 130. Again I purchased new irons and and the PW is 140. My swing and lag has progressed considerably since I started but I am very athletic and aware of my biomechanics and body position. Unless you are making swing changes, or don't understand where your power is generated, you will not gain much distance.
    • I'm glad you're enjoying golf Joe, but how could a Scot not? Oh! I thought that was so clever! Distance comes with clubhead speed and solid contact. Both must work together to produce the desired result. If I had my "druthers" (an American idiom as far as I know), I would prefer solid contact over pure clubhead speed. I see plenty of guys who can swing the club amazingly hard, and hit the ball a long way, but have no idea where it will end up. Centered contact will allow you to maximize the distance of your swing speed and have some idea where the ball is going. As your swing become more "grooved" you may be able to increase your speed and hit the ball farther. I'd suggest you learn the game with the equipment you have. Absolutely nothing wrong with Dynamic Gold R300 shafts. On the PGA Tour, J.B. Holmes plays Dynamic Gold S400 shafts in his irons. And he's a Tour Pro! If you don't have a clubfitter or coach to work with, I'd tell you to resist falling into the trap of "buying a better swing"! Meaning buying more and (maybe) better equipment hoping to shave a few strokes!
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Blog Entries

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. bigtosh90
      bigtosh90
      (27 years old)
    2. dopplegvnger
      dopplegvnger
      (25 years old)
    3. Frank62
      Frank62
      (55 years old)
  • Get Great Gear with Amazon