Are there any homosexuals on Tour?

[14ledo81]

How?

What I meant by "not being against the person" was this. I may think profanity in public is wrong, but I don't hate the person. Again, to me, this discussion boils down to a belief in god/bible. Whenever a discussion leads down this road, again IMO, nobody "wins". PS: I did not mean any offense to anyone. If offense was taken, I apologize.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by 14ledo81

Again, to me, this discussion boils down to a belief in god/bible.

The problem with that is two-fold:

1) The bible can be taken to mean a lot of things. Some people take the bible more literally than others.

2) This isn't a religious debate.

I don't think anyone's been offended yet, but I tend to overestimate by an order of magnitude or more the thickness of people's skins.

Originally Posted by nututhugame

Can you quote where I said that I think homosexuality is a disease or a choice? Your response didn't even address what you quoted. My whole issue actually has nothing to do with the gay issue. It's the limiting of debate to certain criteria.

If it's not biological, a disease, or a choice, there's not much room for anything else. As for limiting the debate, them's the breaks. This already has nothing to do with golf, and this is a golf site, so rather than simply lock the thread and move on, I've made the choice to limit the debate. I could limit ALL debates to "golf." A line has to be drawn somewhere, and I've drawn it where I've drawn it.

[tuffluck]

okay.  wow.  funny we can talk all day and praise a golfer who committed adultery numerous times with a bunch of skanks, yet talking about the prospect of a professional golfer who is attracted to men is repulsive.

i only asked to know, not because of any other reason than curiosity.  i'm not gay myself, but have no problems with them so long as they aren't overly flamboyant; but the jocks who are overly jocky and blondes who are overly blonde are equally as annoying.

i guess being a gay professional athlete in some sports is still considered taboo, as evident in many of the responses to this thread.

[Pablo68]

If some people are indeed born homosexual and have no choice, how do some of them stop participating being in same sex relationships? I've known several that turned away from it (both male and female) although all of them were at Church. They entered into hetrosexual relationships at that point and are happy. Perhaps that's what it boils down to.

What about Bisexual people? How is it they have a choice?

Are all Homosexuals born that way? Can someone just be a little curious then find out it's not for them? If so, then you'd have to admit there IS a choice being made.

[jamo]

Again, to me, this discussion boils down to a belief in god/bible. Whenever a discussion leads down this road, again IMO, nobody "wins".

The fact that non-religious people in the U.S. is somewhere south of 33% yet more than 50% of Americans support gay marriage should indicate that it doesn't have to. (Hopefully that didn't cross any lines.) Now I'm going to go post in some golf threads to atone for my lack of will power shown by posting here.

[14ledo81]

If some people are indeed born homosexual and have no choice, how do some of them stop participating being in same sex relationships? I've known several that turned away from it (both male and female) although all of them were at Church. They entered into hetrosexual relationships at that point and are happy. Perhaps that's what it boils down to. What about Bisexual people? How is it they have a choice? Are all Homosexuals born that way? Can someone just be a little curious then find out it's not for them? If so, then you'd have to admit there IS a choice being made.

I believe it is a tendency they are born with. Similar to many other tendencies people are born with. Where I differ is, I believe it is something that should be "fought" against, and not given in to. I also realize my belief is in the minority. It does not mean that I am not entitled to it.

[14ledo81]

The problem with that is two-fold: 1) The bible can be taken to mean a lot of things. Some people take the bible more literally than others. 2) This isn't a religious debate. I don't think anyone's been offended yet, but I tend to overestimate by an order of magnitude or more the thickness of people's skins. If it's not biological, a disease, or a choice, there's not much room for anything else. As for limiting the debate, them's the breaks. This already has nothing to do with golf, and this is a golf site, so rather than simply lock the thread and move on, I've made the choice to limit the debate. I could limit ALL debates to "golf." A line has to be drawn somewhere, and I've drawn it where I've drawn it.

I was only slightly offended when I felt I was being called a moron. :)

[tuffluck]

Originally Posted by Pablo68

If some people are indeed born homosexual and have no choice, how do some of them stop participating being in same sex relationships? I've known several that turned away from it (both male and female) although all of them were at Church. They entered into hetrosexual relationships at that point and are happy. Perhaps that's what it boils down to.

What about Bisexual people? How is it they have a choice?

Are all Homosexuals born that way? Can someone just be a little curious then find out it's not for them? If so, then you'd have to admit there IS a choice being made.

there is pretty strong evidence that if during certain periods of pregnancy a mother has hormonal imbalances, the fetus' sexuality can be altered.

has anyone ever read anything by alfred kinsey?  he says something to the extent that all men and women fall somewhere on a scale of 0-100 in terms of sexuality.  if you considered 0 homo and 100 hetero, you yourself might fall at an 85, which would imply you have some homosexual tendencies.  although, that doesn't necessarily mean you will ever or have ever considered having sex with another man.  sexuality is more than just intercourse preference, though the closer you get to the ends of the spectrum, the more likely your partner choice is clear.

likewise many people probably fall somewhere in the middle, and perhaps even are non sexual completely, but find solstice in a stable relationship regardless of gender.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by tuffluck

okay.  wow.  funny we can talk all day and praise a golfer who committed adultery numerous times with a bunch of skanks, yet talking about the prospect of a professional golfer who is attracted to men is repulsive.

Nobody - on either side - has said anything like that.

[mvmac]

Originally Posted by iacas

I hope some day we get to the point where this kind of stuff doesn't matter. I couldn't care less about things that do not affect me. Just because Tab A doesn't go into Slot B doesn't mean we should stop people from getting married and having the same rights and/or privileges. It's yet another example of how religion (just stating facts here - religious people are far more likely to be against homosexual equal rights/privileges) is holding us back as human beings.

I saw a Kindle commercial where some woman in a bikini was reading and the guy in the next lounge chair was "hitting on her" - except he wasn't, because they both said they were waiting for their husbands to bring them drinks. The commercial stood out to me because I knew that people would have a reaction to it, when they shouldn't. You see car commercials where parents let their kids take the car for a "date night" and I hope some day soon in a montage of kids going out on dates one or two show a gay couple, and that it's NO BIG DEAL. That nobody even really notices.

So please, be mature in this thread, and don't reveal yourself to a moron.

And if for some reason you're "against" homosexuals, please come up with a better reason than "the bible says so" (because then it will become a debate on religion) or "that's not the way nature says it should be" (because there are plenty of facts in that area already which show homosexuality is not isolated to homo sapiens).

Just want to say, great post

[sofingaw]

Ok ok, take away 'idiotic' and 'moronic' from all my posts on this subject, and replace with 'ignorant' or 'misguided' or 'incorrect'. No need for name calling, I agree. I apologize for name calling.

[dak4n6]

Originally Posted by sofingaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by 14ledo81

LOL, very well played.

No. Here's an example:

Gravity, a natural law. It works one way, and not the other. It pulls in a particular direction. Not more than one.

To deny the way it works is moronic.

Wow is that wrong. If you drew gravity force vectors all around the Earth you would see that it pulls in an infinite number of directions.

[RonTheSavage]

If someone on tour is gay it's none of our business. But for the sake of the discussion, it wouldnt surprise me one bit. The REAL question is would the PGA Tour and CBS cameras televise a tour players partner running on the 18th to congratulate the player after a win????

[NM Golf]

Originally Posted by WWBDD

... NTTAWWT.

LOL Seinfeld fan?!

Originally Posted by VOX

Based on the number of white belts out there, I would say yes.

You are a troll, and obviously a poorly dressed one at that.

Originally Posted by nututhugame

I only ask because although I haven't asked all of them, i'd bet the house that 99% of gay people wouldn't say it's a lifestyle choice. They'd say they were born that way which in their eyes falls firmly in the realm of nature. Is that argument valid for gays or does it make them morons?

I have a member of my family and a close friend who are openly gay. They both say no one chooses to be gay. Why would you? You basically get looked down on like a deviant from closed minded people, and you spend your entire life fighting for the rights heterosexual people take for granted.

To answer the original question, I do not know of any openly gay male profession golfers. Lesbians and the LPGA, that's a whole different thing.  I would think that golf's somewhat stuffy image might not be too attractive to gay men. Hopefully golf continues to fight this image and the game continues to grow in all areas.

[14ledo81]

Originally Posted by NM Golf

I have a member of my family and a close friend who are openly gay. They both say no one chooses to be gay. Why would you? You basically get looked down on like a deviant from closed minded people, and you spend your entire life fighting for the rights heterosexual people take for granted.

Reread his post.  The fact that they do not "choose" is the exact point he was making.

[Stretch]

It's not gay unless the (golf) balls touch.

[RonTheSavage]

White Belts are freakin awesome by the way!

[sofingaw]

Wow is that wrong. If you drew gravity force vectors all around the Earth you would see that it pulls in an infinite number of directions.

It pulls in one direction relative to the body of matter in question, i.e. the earth, the sun, etc. Besides the point; Gravity works how it works, and it is governed by natural laws. To claim that this is untrue is incorrect.