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I believe that is also called Lag.

My golf instructor has helped me to develop a shorter and more controlled back swing.  My latest tendency (when I have a bad shot) is to hit it fat.  When looking at the video it is caused because my hands are behind the club head at impact (i believe that is called flipping) which causes the club to contact the ground prematurely.  (No guy likes a premature anything)

So my instructor has me working on a drill (in slow motion) where I hit a golf ball and stop so that my hands are in front of the me and the club head is pointing at the ground.  He calls it taking my medicine, it is intended to cause me to exaggerate the feeling of hitting the ball and then releasing the club head.

however, when I tried this technique at the range, I couldn't feel it, so I am wondering, if you (because the internet never lies) could give me a few other drills to try to increase lag / stop flipping to see if those have better results.

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This is my hit and run post.

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I asked the golf coach and he has stated that impact bags lack enough weight.

But I am willing to give it a shot everybody else say they work.

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and an empty bottle of water


Posted
Originally Posted by clearwaterms

I asked the golf coach and he has stated that impact bags lack enough weight.

But I am willing to give it a shot everybody else say they work.

Use an old tire. Or just put something heavy in the impact bag, sand maybe?

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I find this drill very useful....


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The Tour Striker 7i or SW may help. I found one on eBay for $45.

And check the 5 Simple Keys Thread for the two ball drill.

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Originally Posted by clearwaterms

I asked the golf coach and he has stated that impact bags lack enough weight.

But I am willing to give it a shot everybody else say they work.

You can use anything to simulate this. I used a bag full of old towels once. It worked fine as a drill.

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Posted
Originally Posted by clearwaterms

I asked the golf coach and he has stated that impact bags lack enough weight.

But I am willing to give it a shot everybody else say they work.

You can take two alignment sticks and put them behind the bag to support it from moving.  The bag weight is determined by what you put inside it.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond

The Tour Striker 7i or SW may help. I found one on eBay for $45.

And check the 5 Simple Keys Thread for the two ball drill.

Just curious - I've never been able to get a chance to try a Tour Striker and this question is not a comment on the TS. I'm pretty sure the answer to this is yes, but can you can get your hands ahead of clubface but hit fat with it? What happens?

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Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond

And check the 5 Simple Keys Thread for the two ball drill.

Yep check out all the videos for Keys #2 and 3

http://purestrike5sk.com/videos.php

http://thesandtrap.com/t/61376/5sk-video-thread

Originally Posted by nevets88

Just curious - I've never been able to get a chance to try a Tour Striker and this question is not a comment on the TS. I'm pretty sure the answer to this is yes, but can you can get your hands ahead of clubface but hit fat with it? What happens?

Yes you can have the hands ahead of the club head and hit it fat, rare to see with the average golfer.  Usually a "good player mistake", the upper center, the head, start tipping back on the downswing, low point can start to move too far back.

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Check out the"impact snap device"....one of the best training aids I've seen.

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Tally golf training aid. THE BEST

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I have the Taly as well that I use when teaching but in my opinion, the impact snap device is better

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where does one buy the impact snap device?  Is it dexterity specific?  The website SSC golf doesn't have them immediately available.  It seems like for such a well reviewed product (lots of chatter) on the web about it.  It would be easier to buy.

In my bag:

some golf clubs

a few golf balls

a bag of tee's some already broken the rest soon to be

a snickers wrapper (if you have seen me play, you would know you are not going anywhere for a while)

and an empty bottle of water


Posted
Originally Posted by mvmac

Or you could use a golf ball

Are those available through the 5sk website?

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make sure you're taking the club back on plane. flipping is symptom, not the disease. stay on plane and the issue will (likely) fix itself.


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I just go to my practice facility and use the practice bunkers.  Build a little sand wall and practice hitting it.  Very similar to the impact bag but doesn't cost me anything.

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