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We just recently leveled and regrassed our range with a bermuda/hybrid type of grass that will grow and heal much faster than the mix of po and bent that was there for years.

Every year as the season wore on, the old grasses would heal slowly and degrade to the point that the range was a mess by September from overuse and slow grass growth. This new stuff supposedly will change all that and we are already seeing some evidence after only a week. They did not even use seed to fill the divots, just sand...

8/30/2013

9/6/2013

The range was also widened and a few more rows were added to the front of the hitting area so, even with extensive use, we shouldn't be back in the original hitting area for quite a while.

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Our range at Copper Creek is an embarrassment- mats thrown down on a dirt parking lot with terrible balls...I have not been to it all season.

At Keystone we have good ranges- The River course's is long enough to hit driver and big enough that you can always find some good grass.  The range at the Ranch course is shorter with less space (but they have a better practice putting green).  My only real complaint with Keystone is that the sand under the grass tends to pit out your clubs pretty quickly.

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The range I've been going to seems to heal quickly but I can't say I pay a huge amount of attention to it.


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That looks awesome! My range was in better shape this year to start the season than I've ever seen it, but it was almost completely crabgrass come August. I also wish the short game area received a little more upkeep. I don't mind that the chipping/pitching green has a lot of dead grass (read: bare soil; not just dormant), but they could at least overseed the fairway, rough, and fringe areas. They did extend it a bit so you can now hit about 70-yard shots when the range is relatively clear, which is nice. The putting green is okay, but I wish they would cut it lower. It stimps at about 8 at the fastest.

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We just recently leveled and regrassed our range with a bermuda/hybrid type of grass that will grow and heal much faster than the mix of po and bent that was there for years.

Every year as the season wore on, the old grasses would heal slowly and degrade to the point that the range was a mess by September from overuse and slow grass growth. This new stuff supposedly will change all that and we are already seeing some evidence after only a week. They did not even use seed to fill the divots, just sand...

8/30/2013

9/6/2013

The range was also widened and a few more rows were added to the front of the hitting area so, even with extensive use, we shouldn't be back in the original hitting area for quite a while.

16 days later...almost ready to go...

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So youre bragging that your range is capable of regrowing grass in near perfect growing conditions over the course of [S]16[/S] 17 days? Is this a brag thread-Cuz my range is pretty great too but I dont need to take pictures of it. Its not like anyone here is in a position to change their range. They get what they get. Here is what I want to ask you-What jerk of a golfer took divots all random-like in that area-DOesnt he know how to properly use a range?[quote name="phan52" url="/t/69881/how-is-your-range#post_898219"] 16 days later...almost ready to go... [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/content/type/61/id/83320/] [/URL] [/quote]

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What jerk of a golfer took divots all random-like in that area-DOesnt he know how to properly use a range?

Sadly, in my experience, 90% (+) of golfers fall into that category......

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Sadly, in my experience, 90% (+) of golfers fall into that category......

QFT.

I make lines.

I also love when amateurs tee their ball up on the FRONT of a divot - like it's on a little tee. I can't do that - my mind sees the ground and returns the club there, so I hit those shots fat because the ground behind the ball (the dirt) is below the level of the grass directly under the ball. So I end up hitting that "wall" of turf at the front of the divot.

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I make lines also, and Im damn proud of it. I've actually taken pictures of my stall after a practice session on different occasions. The whole "random divot" thing is such a waste of space.

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QFT.

I make lines.

I also love when amateurs tee their ball up on the FRONT of a divot - like it's on a little tee. I can't do that - my mind sees the ground and returns the club there, so I hit those shots fat because the ground behind the ball (the dirt) is below the level of the grass directly under the ball. So I end up hitting that "wall" of turf at the front of the divot.

Most golfers just don't know.  They aren't a-holes, they just have no idea.  There's always been a campaign to get golfers to fix ball-marks, get golfers to play fast, etc, etc, but I've never seen ANY literature, or posters in restrooms, or flyers in the clubhouse, anything, that teaches people how AND WHY they should use grass ranges in that manner.

I've always thought that I did it correctly, but now I'm not so sure.  I do make lines, but I make them connect, so when I am done, it's a nice little square.  Is that acceptable also, or have I been effing up the range all this time?

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So youre bragging that your range is capable of regrowing grass in near perfect growing conditions over the course of 16 17 days? Is this a brag thread-Cuz my range is pretty great too but I dont need to take pictures of it. Its not like anyone here is in a position to change their range. They get what they get.

Here is what I want to ask you-What jerk of a golfer took divots all random-like in that area-DOesnt he know how to properly use a range?

Bragging? Is that what you get out of it? If you actually read the post to which it was attached you would see that we totally regrassed the range with a new kind of grass to promote quick growth after years of fighting it. Am I proud that we took the time and money to make our range as good as any around? Damn straight. If you want to call it bragging, whatever, that's your problem.

As far as the divots, we have signs and pictures posted everywhere to advise the players how to make a divot pattern. Like so...

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As far as the divots, we have signs and pictures posted everywhere to advise the players how to make a divot pattern. Like so...

Thanks ... I will do it this way from now on.

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I love making pretty divot lines.  Tells you a little about your swing consistency too.  Sometimes I take a picture of them with the sunset in the background.  I'm normal.


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My home driving range is quite good: A wide grass tee area with three levels, and the hitting area moves up, down and sideways daily. Several target greens, including two within wedge range; distance plates here and there tell how far it is to the greens.

* Two sand bunkers, one a fairway look and the a greenside look.

* Practice green with several level spots amid the dip and roll.

Two drawbacks:

- For full shots you're hitting off a hilltop, so it's difficult to range your irons and woods there.

- Practice green needs a couple of strips cut 1" deep in the surrounding rough so players can practice chip and run. (You get close cuts in the run-up area on several holes)

Other than that, it's a great driving range.

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QFT.

I make lines.

I also love when amateurs tee their ball up on the FRONT of a divot - like it's on a little tee. I can't do that - my mind sees the ground and returns the club there, so I hit those shots fat because the ground behind the ball (the dirt) is below the level of the grass directly under the ball. So I end up hitting that "wall" of turf at the front of the divot.

I know right. I sometimes do this in Scrambles. If the drive ends up near a divot on a par 5, I will tee the ball up so I can get more air on a 3-wood. Though most of the time I hit it fat, should stop doing that.

As for my range, its crap. I can say this though, if I ever have to hit a shot were my feet are partially in a divot, I will have experience. The problem is, this range gets so much use its crazy. Its tough to find any good grass. They have the best deals, I have a year round, unlimited golf balls for under 600 dollars. They have heated area during the winter (Mats only), so I'll be plenty busy then.

I wish they would print out a big sign with that image on it, showing the recommended divot pattern, just place it at entrance to the range.

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I know right. I sometimes do this in Scrambles. If the drive ends up near a divot on a par 5, I will tee the ball up so I can get more air on a 3-wood. Though most of the time I hit it fat, should stop doing that.

As for my range, its crap. I can say this though, if I ever have to hit a shot were my feet are partially in a divot, I will have experience. The problem is, this range gets so much use its crazy. Its tough to find any good grass. They have the best deals, I have a year round, unlimited golf balls for under 600 dollars. They have heated area during the winter (Mats only), so I'll be plenty busy then.

I wish they would print out a big sign with that image on it, showing the recommended divot pattern, just place it at entrance to the range.

Copy it and print it out. Here's another one...

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