What's happening in the Ukraine?

[Stretch]

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/freddy-gray/2014/03/ten-handy-phrases-for-bluffing-your-way-through-the-ukraine-crisis/

[dsc123]

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/freddy-gray/2014/03/ten-handy-phrases-for-bluffing-your-way-through-the-ukraine-crisis/

I am not sure we should be making light of the situation — we are talking about a potential World War III here.

[Lihu]

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/freddy-gray/2014/03/ten-handy-phrases-for-bluffing-your-way-through-the-ukraine-crisis/

Thanks, this should at least get me through a few family gatherings.

BTW, I like your new Avatar. . .

[Stretch]

I am not sure we should be making light of the situation — we are talking about a potential World War III here.

[Lihu]

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsc123

I am not sure we should be making light of the situation — we are talking about a potential World War III here.

Pretty sure that you and I either taking it seriously or not taking it seriously will affect the ultimate outcome by exactly the same amount.

This was the 10th item in the list.

[dsc123]

Pretty sure that you and I either taking it seriously or not taking it seriously will affect the ultimate outcome by exactly the same amount.

Did you read the link?

[mdl]

Let's stick to the topic. It isn't the general position of the U.S. Citizenry or either party.

Yeah. I think the short answer to Lihu's original question is that the Ukrainians are f-ed even more so than they have been in a while.  When was the last time things looked bleaker for them?  Maybe not since Stalin starved millions of them to death in the 30s?

[Stretch]

When in doubt, go full banana.

[Lihu]

Quote:

Originally Posted by iacas

Let's stick to the topic. It isn't the general position of the U.S. Citizenry or either party.

Yeah. I think the short answer to Lihu's original question is that the Ukrainians are f-ed even more so than they have been in a while.  When was the last time things looked bleaker for them?  Maybe not since Stalin starved millions of them to death in the 30s?

Yeah, that's pretty heavy.

Given the proximity of Ukraine to Russia, it makes me wonder why it is not already a part of Russia. Seems like there should be a relatively simple peaceful solution without our intervention.

[iacas]

When in doubt, go full banana.

Full banana reaches all the way across the screen, at least.

[geauxforbroke]

Yeah, that's pretty heavy.

Given the proximity of Ukraine to Russia, it makes me wonder why it is not already a part of Russia. Seems like there should be a relatively simple peaceful solution without our intervention.

For the same reason that Scotland would rather be independent from the UK. It's a different culture, and their people want independence. Just because countries are adjacent doesn't mean they want to be a unified country, or be peaceful, e.g. North and South Korea; or Israel and Palestine.

[MS256]

Just saw on the news that Putin was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. SMH!!!!!!

[newtogolf]

Just saw on the news that Putin was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. SMH!!!!!!

If you consider Obama was nominated after nine months as POTUS and Edward Snowden is on the list with Pope Francis and Putin I'd say they are running out of candidates to nominate.

[RandallT]

As I wrote near the very beginning of the thread, I was worried about the nuclear weapon proliferation aspect of this whole thing.  The US and Europe had committed to Ukraine's territorial integrity to some degree when the Soviet Union disintegrated (if Ukraine gave up their nukes). Now Ukraine is making rumbles about developing nukes, since our guarantees haven't protected the Crimea. Ugh.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/10/ukraine-nuclear/6250815/

[Lihu]

As I wrote near the very beginning of the thread, I was worried about the nuclear weapon proliferation aspect of this whole thing.  The US and Europe had committed to Ukraine's territorial integrity to some degree when the Soviet Union disintegrated (if Ukraine gave up their nukes). Now Ukraine is making rumbles about developing nukes, since our guarantees haven't protected the Crimea. Ugh.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/10/ukraine-nuclear/6250815/

Uhg, we should never have promised something we can't deliver. This is a pretty miserable situation after all.

[phan52]

Just saw on the news that Putin was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. SMH!!!!!!

There are 278 nominees to date. It ain't hard to get nominated.