Jump to content
IGNORED

"Lowest Score Wins" by Barzeski and Wedzik


iacas

Recommended Posts

Thank you to everyone for the kind words.  It's a great way to start out my 2015.

Awesome!

Did you mean didn't? It's nice to have something all laid out simple and logical to convince helicopter parents rather than having to repeat yourself over and over again. I'm guessing they were convinced after reading?


Yes sorry typo...The parents did not read it.  Also the my former boss and 3 of the girls teaching pro (same guy) did not read it either.  I taught the other 3.  Though all 6 read the book and understood the concept it was hard at times to get the parents and other coach on board.  I was just at Golf Evolution two Mondays ago.  I was planning on taking 2 of the 3  non students up there to learn Aimpoint Express but they backed out last minute.  I was hoping for a turning point then.  Ill keep wearing them down though ;).

All of the people I know that read the book say something similar to you.  It has a perfectly laid out plan to achieve better scores.  There is no guess work.  It's such a simple read that you can go through 2-3 times in 2 weeks and then start practicing.

I recently took a new position as the Head Professional at a new course.  My Director of Golf wanted to know more about how I coach and teach players.  I handed him a copy of the book and said this covers it pretty well.  I am also a 5SK instructor, which is broken down in the beginning.  With the 5SK and SV skills it pretty much sums up my teaching.  He read the booked and loved it.  My future is looking bright already at my new employment.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I think you're understating your virtue here. There are plenty of people who, in your shoes, would have done the traditional thing -- 2/3 practice short game, tell them to leave driver and 3W in the bag, everyone focus on hitting the fairway, bogey? should have practiced your chipping better, etc. If you did this, you probably would have had an easier time, at the expense of not really doing what a good coach should do. I'm glad you chose the good coaching route.

You "only" read a book... because you were seeking information about how to be a better coach.

Yes, you're lucky to have kids on your team who aren't questioning you (and hopefully whose parents come around). And also, and just as important, they're lucky to have a coach who would rather improve them than take the path of least resistance.

Long story short, you deserve some credit here for being a good coach.

And I like your approach to improving their scores a lot better than what the guy who coached at my high school when I was there had the players do.

+1.

I look forward to hearing how the team does next year.

Jon

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Thank you to everyone for the kind words.  It's a great way to start out my 2015.

Yes sorry typo...The parents did not read it.  Also the my former boss and 3 of the girls teaching pro (same guy) did not read it either.  I taught the other 3.  Though all 6 read the book and understood the concept it was hard at times to get the parents and other coach on board.  I was just at Golf Evolution two Mondays ago.  I was planning on taking 2 of the 3  non students up there to learn Aimpoint Express but they backed out last minute.  I was hoping for a turning point then.  Ill keep wearing them down though ;).

All of the people I know that read the book say something similar to you.  It has a perfectly laid out plan to achieve better scores.  There is no guess work.  It's such a simple read that you can go through 2-3 times in 2 weeks and then start practicing.

I recently took a new position as the Head Professional at a new course.  My Director of Golf wanted to know more about how I coach and teach players.  I handed him a copy of the book and said this covers it pretty well.  I am also a 5SK instructor, which is broken down in the beginning.  With the 5SK and SV skills it pretty much sums up my teaching.  He read the booked and loved it.  My future is looking bright already at my new employment.

This is great to hear - let us know how your LSW academy comes along! :-)

Currently focusing on: Key 4 - shorter backswing.

What's in the bag: Callaway X2 Hot Driver, Titleist 915F 3 wood, X2 Hot 3 Hybrid, 3, 5-AW Apex Pro irons, 54*, 58* Cleveland RTX, Odyssey Versa 1 Putter

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I bought it through the ebay site - well worth the extra money, honestly.

Currently focusing on: Key 4 - shorter backswing.

What's in the bag: Callaway X2 Hot Driver, Titleist 915F 3 wood, X2 Hot 3 Hybrid, 3, 5-AW Apex Pro irons, 54*, 58* Cleveland RTX, Odyssey Versa 1 Putter

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • 3 weeks later...
Count me in. Ordered the book and hope it will help my son! Me too for that matter!

Presuming you follow the principles in the book, it should definitely help you out.

Christian

:tmade::titleist:  :leupold:  :aimpoint: :gamegolf:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

https://twitter.com/LowScoreWins/status/560856219565707264 Anything to share?

"The expert golfer has maximum time to make minimal compensations. The poorer player has minimal time to make maximum compensations." - And no, I'm not Mac. Please do not PM me about it. I just think he is a crazy MFer and we could all use a little more crazy sometimes.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

A scorecard with a bunch of circles around birdies with the book cover below it would look cool.  Or just the title of the book if the whole cover won't fit.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades


I haven't received my book yet (has been shipped).

Without reading it yourself, most did not believe driving and ball striking out weighed other practice details

Yikes, I hope the book doesn't have my son just bang away at the driving range ignoring his pitching and putting :-)

I see the pros get up and down all the time. It is amazing. I do agree that GIR is important. I look forward to checking out the book. I already have so many books, I'm hoping this one is different.

It will be interesting. My son is basically a 1 handicap and I have run out of ideas to help him. Therefore.... the book!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I haven't received my book yet (has been shipped). [COLOR=181818]Without reading it yourself, most did not believe driving and ball striking out weighed other practice details[/COLOR] [COLOR=181818]Yikes, I hope the book doesn't have my son just bang away at the driving range ignoring his pitching and putting :-)[/COLOR] I see the pros get up and down all the time. It is amazing. I do agree that GIR is important. I look forward to checking out the book. I already have so many books, I'm hoping this one is different.  It will be interesting. My son is basically a 1 handicap and I have run out of ideas to help him. Therefore.... the book!

Have him bang away on the course.

:ping:  :tmade:  :callaway:   :gamegolf:  :titleist:

TM White Smoke Big Fontana; Pro-V1
TM Rac 60 TT WS, MD2 56
Ping i20 irons U-4, CFS300
Callaway XR16 9 degree Fujikura Speeder 565 S
Callaway XR16 3W 15 degree Fujikura Speeder 565 S, X2Hot Pro 20 degrees S

"I'm hitting the woods just great, but I'm having a terrible time getting out of them." ~Harry Toscano

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator
I haven't received my book yet (has been shipped).

Without reading it yourself, most did not believe driving and ball striking out weighed other practice details

Yikes, I hope the book doesn't have my son just bang away at the driving range ignoring his pitching and putting :-)

We don't say ignore. But… . Read the book… I think we make a compelling case.

I see the pros get up and down all the time. It is amazing. I do agree that GIR is important. I look forward to checking out the book. I already have so many books, I'm hoping this one is different. It will be interesting. My son is basically a 1 handicap and I have run out of ideas to help him. Therefore.... the book!

One of the points is that pros only need to get up and down five, maybe six times per round.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

> One of the points is that pros only need to get up and down five, maybe six times per round

Wouldn't that make it seem like you need to practice it even more for the times you need to save par? It sure seemed like Jimmy Walker was getting up and down so many times. It was amazing to watch. Also when Rory went up and down some 20+ times out of 25 tries. I can't remember the exact numbers. It was amazing to watch. Anyway, I am eager to check out the book. Thanks!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator

Wouldn't that make it seem like you need to practice it even more for the times you need to save par?

No. It's also not a skill at which players are very far behind pros. Just read the book… you'll see.

P.S. Nobody's saying to never practice your short game or putting. But more than 35%, in the absence of a glaring weakness, is probably too much.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Moderator

>One of the points is that pros only need to get up and down five, maybe six times per round

Wouldn't that make it seem like you need to practice it even more for the times you need to save par? It sure seemed like Jimmy Walker was getting up and down so many times. It was amazing to watch. Also when Rory went up and down some 20+ times out of 25 tries. I can't remember the exact numbers. It was amazing to watch. Anyway, I am eager to check out the book. Thanks!

More than the long game? No. Think of how important hitting 12-14 GIRs and 18 nearGIRs (term in the book) is to the score. It's huge.

Mike McLoughlin

Check out my friends on Evolvr!
Follow The Sand Trap on Twitter!  and on Facebook
Golf Terminology -  Analyzr  -  My FacebookTwitter and Instagram 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

No. It's also not a skill at which players are very far behind pros. Just read the book… you'll see.

P.S. Nobody's saying to never practice your short game or putting. But more than 35%, in the absence of a glaring weakness, is probably too much.

My question with 65/20/15 advice is;

Are you advocating decreasing putting practice time to allow for more long game practice, or just advising to add more range time and keep the amount of short game / putting practice time the same amount of hours. The reason I ask this, is that I have a hard time believing pros or most any other reasonably accomplished player is going to maintain what putting skills they have if they practice less.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator
My question with 65/20/15 advice is; Are you advocating decreasing putting practice time to allow for more long game practice, or just advising to add more range time and keep the amount of short game / putting practice time the same amount of hours. The reason I ask this, is that I have a hard time believing pros or most any other reasonably accomplished player is going to maintain what putting skills they have if they practice less.

Either. Absent a glaring weakness, work that ratio. Whether you get there by adding time or rearranging the time you have is up to you. I almost never work on my putting… and it is one of the strengths of my game.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-15%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope.
  • Popular Now

  • Posts

    • after some years experimenting around, I've settled on a mixed bag of mostly Pat Simmons vintage Tiger Sharks (the ones with the blue enamal on back of the clubheads): 3 thru 9 iron, + 3 wedges (PW, sand, chipper). Those super heavy clubheads really help me get my swing down and thru the ball. Also I carry an old Taylor 18-degree rescue club, 17-degree and 14 degree ImagineGolf metalwoods, and the famous Pat Simmons "alien" 1-iron. Finally a real brick-on-a-stick, the big-headed Bettinardi Ben Hogan model putter which is excellent for taking the break out of short putts and getting the ball hole high on long ones. Wait....is that 15 clubs? Oh well....
    • this topic brought to mind one my favorite golf-spectator memories. Back when, living in Santa Barbara CA, parked in my yellow cab just behind the 10th tee  (c. 380 yard par 4) at SB Muni golf course while eating lunch. A twosome comes by, and first up is this fat little mexican guy who takes a kinda squirelly practice swing, then addresses the ball and bashes a long, high, perfectly straight drive up to w/in about 5 yards of the green. Other guy is dressed to the 9's, pulls out what looks like a $300 driver....and hits a maybe 150-yard pop fly. Slams clubhead to the ground and yells, "it's fat! It's fat! Everything is fat today!!"  And that's how I learned what a "fat" shot is.
    • day 57. Technique practice in the net. Really trying to slow down. 
    • It may not be surprising that in the previous 7,064 posts, this particular point has been discussed. To which I will counter: If we're talking about results, why only the majors? Unless you know something that I don't, neither of us are in any position to judge whether Woods or Nicklaus lived their overall life better, not that such a thing is even objectively measurable, nor is it relevant to the discussion.
    • As we've had to tell other people, the topic is which is the better GOLFER, not human being.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...