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3 hours ago, RoberX said:

I just ordered my copy and cant wait to read it!

Congrats!

1 hour ago, Nail said:

I'd really like to buy this book but the delivery to here in Ireland is almost as much as the book. I really can't justify that much money to get a book delivered as good as I know the book will be

Reach out to Andrew Norrby in the UK. He has a bunch of copies and can mail it from the UK.

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On 12/27/2019 at 11:12 PM, iacas said:

Congrats!

Reach out to Andrew Norrby in the UK. He has a bunch of copies and can mail it from the UK.

Thanks for the reply but How do I find him? I’ve never heard of him?

 

Is it Andrew Norrby from Northern Ireland? An aim point instructor?

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6 hours ago, Nail said:

Thanks for the reply but How do I find him? I’ve never heard of him?

Is it Andrew Norrby from Northern Ireland? An aim point instructor?

Yes. I saw your PM, and will reach out to Andrew.

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Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

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Browsing through my Twitter feed, saw this!

 

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Just now, nevets88 said:

Browsing through my Twitter feed, saw this!

 

Yeah, we recorded with him last week. Was supposed to be 25 minutes, we went about 40, and it'll be out in a few weeks.

He's very good at what he does.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

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Awesome news! I have finished the book and can't wait to put what i have learned into practice!

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1 hour ago, Slim_Pivot said:

Saw you guys will be on “On the Mark”. Nice

Also didn’t know @lowscorewins was a twitter handle 

Yep to both! 🙂

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

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I just purchased and read Lowest Score Wins in part of my attempt to start playing again after a 6 year hiatus due to chronic injury. I also recently went to a comprehensive fitting.  Great book.  As someone who was always very long and straight off the tee, I instinctively knew the Drive for Show, putt for dough was hogwash.  This book proves it. I found the SV aspect very interesting because the 14% figure for putting was exactly what I saw from improvement in 2013-2014 when utilizing a program called shotbyshot.    Lowering my shotbyshot "putting handicap" from an 18 down to a 4 "only" brought my overall Index down from a 2 to zero, despite a massive improvement in putting.    I am going to read the book again, it makes a ton of sense.  My old shafts 7.8 are getting yanked for something more like 6.1 flex and the shaft for most important club in the bag remains unresolved.  What I think is going to most help me to play decently again is to focus on the shots with the highest separation value first.  Tee shot, GIR approach shots, 30-50 yard short shots, long putts to avoid 3 putting, and center of the clubface.  Great book.

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Just ordered my copy! Stoked to get it and study up!

Driver - Callaway Epic Flash, 3 Wood - Callaway Mavrik, 4 Hybrid - Callaway Big Bertha,

Irons - 5-AW Mavrik Pro's, Putter - Odyssey White Hot OG 1, Ball - Callaway Chrome Soft

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46 minutes ago, Greg 504 said:

Just ordered my copy! Stoked to get it and study up!

I gave you the badge. Thanks!

Let me know what you think when you're done with it.

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Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

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3 hours ago, iacas said:

I gave you the badge. Thanks!

Let me know what you think when you're done with it.

Thanks for the badge and will do.

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I have skimmed LSW a second time.  A truly great book. 

One thing that has helped me in the past was realizing that wedge shot patterns are very narrow and long ellipsoids as shown on page 155 (mostly due to spin dynamics).  So, great care is needed when the angle is into a green with little depth.  Very risky angle.  Many greens are kidney shaped sort of like the diagram on page 194.  Hitting a wedge from the right side of the fairway gives you a completely different chance at birdie or bogie compared to an approach from the left rough or left fairway edge where one can target 10-20 foot short of the pin with almost no risk.  If it comes out hot, you are stiff.  It comes out normal, you have a nice chance a birdie.  If it comes out heavy, it will land in the middle of the green and probably release still giving a birdie chance.  Those two misses (hot or heavy) from the right side of the fairway or rough are going to make par tough.  I think these ideas are implicit but maybe subtle in the text.  Some courses are so penal off tee that such positioning or the thought of positioning is moot.  This type of positioning is often even more important for the 3rd shot into some pins on par 5 holes where a hole could be located on a small plateau on the back right.  Laying up to 90 yards and it is a very hard shot but laying up on the left to 30-40 yards and it is a low risk pitch to the pin.  I never understood laying up on par 5 holes but now that I am older and not as long, positioning of the little pitch is probably going to go into my game plan.  Did I say?  Great book.

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On 1/24/2020 at 2:45 PM, nevets88 said:

Browsing through my Twitter feed, saw this!

 

On 1/24/2020 at 2:46 PM, iacas said:

Yeah, we recorded with him last week. Was supposed to be 25 minutes, we went about 40, and it'll be out in a few weeks.

He's very good at what he does.

Just listened to this on my drive home last night and finished it this morning on the way in. 

Great job it was cool to hear you guys on a podcast!

 

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11 minutes ago, klineka said:

Just listened to this on my drive home last night and finished it this morning on the way in. 

Great job it was cool to hear you guys on a podcast!

Thanks. I made a separate topic here too:

 

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Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

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Just finished my first time through LSW. @iacas and @david_wedzik very well written and well done! Generally speaking, I despise reading and your book really kept my attention and wanting to continue reading more than I had planned whenever I sat to read a chapter or two. 

 

I am just about to start my first full season of golf this year, LSW gave me so much information to consider. There is no doubt it will help me shoot lower scores as soon as the season starts and I have already started thinking about the local courses I play differently as it relates to course management. I have never had any instruction on course management and so understanding shot zones and implementing decision maps from my specific zones will be invaluable. Especially as it relates to aim points for GIR and nGIR. 

 

Also of value for me were the chapters on SV and the corresponding 65/20/15 practice times. I need to really scrutinize my most glaring issues for my practice time. I feel there are so many things for me to continue to work on, but I need to stay focused and disciplined and have realistic expectations with the 65/20/15 rule. 

 

Thank you both for providing a solid foundation to continue on my golfing journey. I will undoubtedly refer to LSW frequently.

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Finally got around to ordering a copy of this book today. Can’t wait to have a read when it gets here

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5 hours ago, Greg 504 said:

Thank you both for providing a solid foundation to continue on my golfing journey. I will undoubtedly refer to LSW frequently.

Wow, @Greg 504, that was great to read. I shared what you wrote with Dave, and I'm glad we could overcome your distaste for reading! 😄

Seriously, though, thanks. That was very nice.

3 hours ago, Nail said:

Finally got around to ordering a copy of this book today. Can’t wait to have a read when it gets here

Awesome. I'll be sending out a good bit tomorrow.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

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    • Taking your dispersion and distance in consideration I analyzed the 4 posible ways to play the hole, or at least the ones that were listed here. I took the brown grass on the left as fescue were you need to punch out sideways to the fairway and rigth of the car path to be fescue too.  Driver "going for the green"  You have to aim more rigth, to the bunker in order to center your shotzone in between the fescue.  Wood of 240 over the bunkers I already like this one more for you. More room to land between the fescue. Balls in the fescue 11% down from 30% with driver. Improve of score from 4.55 to 4.40. 4 iron 210 yards besides the bunkers.    Also a wide area and your shot zone is better than previous ones. This makes almost the fescue dissapear. You really need to hit a bad one (sometimes shit happens). Because of that and only having 120 yards in this is the best choice so far. Down to 4.32 from 4.40. Finally the 6 Iron 180 yards to avoid all trouble.    Wide area an narrow dispersion for almost been in the fairway all the time. Similar than the previous one but 25 yards farther for the hole to avoid been in the bunkers. Average remains the same, 4.33 to 4.32.  Conclusion is easy. Either your 4iron or 6 iron of the tee are equaly good for you. Glad that you made par!
    • Wish I could have spent 5 minutes in the middle of the morning round to hit some balls at the range. Just did much more of right side through with keeping the shoulders feeling level (not dipping), and I was flushing them. Lol. Maybe too much focus on hands stuff while playing.
    • Last year I made an excel that can easily measure with my own SG data the average score for each club of the tee. Even the difference in score if you aim more left or right with the same club. I like it because it can be tweaked to account for different kind of rough, trees, hazards, greens etc.     As an example, On Par 5's that you have fescue on both sides were you can count them as a water hazard (penalty or punch out sideways), unless 3 wood or hybrid lands in a wider area between the fescue you should always hit driver. With a shorter club you are going to hit a couple less balls in the fescue than driver but you are not going to offset the fact that 100% of the shots are going to be played 30 or more yards longer. Here is a 560 par 5. Driver distance 280 yards total, 3 wood 250, hybrid 220. Distance between fescue is 30 yards (pretty tight). Dispersion for Driver is 62 yards. 56 for 3 wood and 49 for hybrid. Aiming of course at the middle of the fairway (20 yards wide) with driver you are going to hit 34% of balls on the fescue (17% left/17% right). 48% to the fairway and the rest to the rough.  The average score is going to be around 5.14. Looking at the result with 3 wood and hybrid you are going to hit less balls in the fescue but because of having longer 2nd shots you are going to score slightly worst. 5.17 and 5.25 respectively.    Things changes when the fescue is taller and you are probably going to loose the ball so changing the penalty of hitting there playing a 3 wood or hybrid gives a better score in the hole.  Off course 30 yards between penalty hazards is way to small. You normally have 60 or more, in that cases the score is going to be more close to 5 and been the Driver the weapon of choice.  The point is to see that no matter how tight the hole is, depending on the hole sometimes Driver is the play and sometimes 6 irons is the play. Is easy to see that on easy holes, but holes like this:  you need to crunch the numbers to find the best strategy.     
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    • Ah ok I misunderstood. But you did bring to light an oversight on my part.
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