Are you ready for some NFL Football? 2014 Edition.

[jamo]

I'm pretty sure the rule is that it must cross the goal line with proper possession, other wise what do you do with the guy that juggles it into the end zone?

That didn't come into play here. You're allowed to juggle the ball across the end zone plane so long as you do regain full possession at some point in the end zone.

[boogielicious]

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Originally Posted by boogielicious

The NFL disagrees with you.  I agree with the NFL only on the play as it relates to the current rule the way it is written.  He did not fully secure the ball until he was on his way to the ground and lost control.

If you evidence is the NFL's word, I think they've done enough this past year to discredit themselves as doing anything competent

Clearly by the current rule Dez had a catch.

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Article 7A player is in possession when he is in firm grip and control of the ball inbounds (See 3-2-3). To gain possession of a loose ball (3-2-3) that has been caught, intercepted, or recovered, a player must have complete control of the ball and have both feet or any other part of his body, other than his hands, completely on the ground inbounds, and maintain control of the ball long enough to perform any act common to the game. If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any other part of his body to the ground or if there is any doubt that the acts were simultaneous, there is no possession. This rule applies in the field of play and in the end zone.

He had control, he took a step, he stretched out towards the goalline. Tell me how taking a step and trying to reach towards the goal line isn't a football move? It has been done countless times int he NFL. By Rule the ground can not cause a fumble. He was touched by the Green Bay defender, so he should have been down at the 1 yard line or so.

If he didn't secure the ball then he would not have been able to stretch out his arm with the ball in hand with out having it move while going to the ground. The ball was secure, he had his hand on the end of the football, and it was against his forearm like they are taught to hold it. I don't see how you can say it wasn't secure.

He double clutched the ball on the first steps and only gain control when he was on the way down.  Not a catch.  Watch again, in slow motion and take off the Cowboy glasses.

[Jakester23]

He double clutched the ball on the first steps and only gain control when he was on the way down.  Not a catch.  Watch again, in slow motion and take off the Cowboy glasses.

I watched it probably 15 times and I hate the Cowboys and that's was a catch. I wanted the packers to win and think they still would have. That being said it was a catch IMO.

[saevel25]

He double clutched the ball on the first steps and only gain control when he was on the way down.  Not a catch.  Watch again, in slow motion and take off the Cowboy glasses.

I looked at it again, here is the summary of the movements Dez made,

High points the ball to make the initial catch, his left foot is on the ground. The ball is lose at this point as he tries to gain control. The ball shifts to his left and.

Takes a step with his right foot, the ball is still loose and brought his right hand back to the ball to secure it.

Mid step with his left foot, he now has one hand on the ball. The ball is secure.

His left foot hits the ground, he is preparing to push off to dive towards the endzone. The ball has not moved from its initial position in his left hand. It is secure.

He pushes off you can see the dirt kick up as he puts a lot of effort into diving for the endzone. The left hand still securely has the ball.

His elbow hits the ground, the ball should be at the half yard line.

By rule, he has security of the ball before he took a step. He took a step pushing off towards the endzone. He made a football move with the ball secure.

[boogielicious]

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Originally Posted by boogielicious

He double clutched the ball on the first steps and only gain control when he was on the way down.  Not a catch.  Watch again, in slow motion and take off the Cowboy glasses.

I looked at it again, here is the summary of the movements Dez made,

High points the ball to make the initial catch, his left foot is on the ground. The ball is lose at this point as he tries to gain control. The ball shifts to his left and.

Takes a step with his right foot, the ball is still loose and brought his right hand back to the ball to secure it.

Mid step with his left foot, he now has one hand on the ball. The ball is secure.

His left foot hits the ground, he is preparing to push off to dive towards the endzone. The ball has not moved from its initial position in his left hand. It is secure.

He pushes off you can see the dirt kick up as he puts a lot of effort into diving for the endzone. The left hand still securely has the ball.

His elbow hits the ground, the ball should be at the half yard line.

By rule, he has security of the ball before he took a step. He took a step pushing off towards the endzone. He made a football move with the ball secure.

A single step is not a football move.  I've seen that called many, many times.  It has overruled catches, fumbles etc.

[Slice of Life]

That's not a catch under the rules of football. Period.

It was the correct call, and has nothing to do with Karma. He never really had full possession of the ball until he was falling/lunging, and then he lost control. Incomplete.

Moving on...

[iacas]

That was a catch. Dez secured the ball, then took a step with his left leg, which is by definition a football act, and then extends towards the endzone. He should have been ruled down by contact near the 1 yard line.

I don't think this is a 50/50 call at best. This was a clear blown call.

A step is not a football move, Matt.

That's not a catch under the rules of football. Period.

It was the correct call, and has nothing to do with Karma. He never really had full possession of the ball until he was falling/lunging, and then he lost control. Incomplete.

Under the rules of football, it was not a catch.

Correct. Both.

I really have no skin in the game here, either. Not a catch.

[saevel25]

A single step is not a football move.  I've seen that called many, many times.  It has overruled catches, fumbles etc.

That's not a catch under the rules of football. Period.

It was the correct call, and has nothing to do with Karma. He never really had full possession of the ball until he was falling/lunging, and then he lost control. Incomplete.

Moving on...

Nope, not moving on.

It was a catch by under the rules.

He made a football move. He made a move that was very common in the NFL.

Heck he did two actions. He took a step and he stretched the ball out.

In the image above, tell me he is not stretching out the ball? The only reason he couldn't stretch out more is because he is wearing pads and the angle of his body. The ball is clearly away from the body more than it was when he caught it. Sorry, but you two are completely wrong on this and so in the NFL.

[jamo]

@saevel25 , take another look at those last two frames. How does the video indicate he was trying to extend towards the goalline? The ball is inches from his chest. And he didn't take a step, he merely landed. That's not a "football move." Also, the "ground can't cause a fumble" thing is irrelevant because, by rule, has hadn't completed the catch. The ground CAN cause incompletions.

[saevel25]

A step is not a football move, Matt.

Correct. Both.

I really have no skin in the game here, either. Not a catch.

Is a step + stretching out the ball a football move? He did two things here, not just taking a step. Heck I've seen a player take a step, get hit and have the ball come loose and it was confirmed a fumble. I've seen the call go the other way as well. So in some instances a step has been considered a football move.

@saevel25, take another look at those last two frames.

How does the video indicate he was trying to extend towards the goalline? The ball is practically flush against his chest.

Also, the "ground can't cause a fumble" thing is irrelevant because, by rule, has hadn't completed the catch. The ground CAN cause incompletions.

See the previous image I posted just before you did. You can clearly see the ball is further away from his body. It wasn't against his chest.

[boogielicious]

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Originally Posted by iacas

A step is not a football move, Matt.

Correct. Both.

I really have no skin in the game here, either. Not a catch.

Is a step + stretching out the ball a football move? He did two things here, not just taking a step. Heck I've seen a player take a step, get hit and have the ball come loose and it was confirmed a fumble. I've seen the call go the other way as well. So in some instances a step has been considered a football move.

Not according to the NFL rules committee.

[Slice of Life]

Is a step + stretching out the ball a football move? He did two things here, not just taking a step. Heck I've seen a player take a step, get hit and have the ball come loose and it was confirmed a fumble. I've seen the call go the other way as well. So in some instances a step has been considered a football move.

See the previous image I posted just before you did. You can clearly see the ball is further away from his body. It wasn't against his chest.

Matt, the problem is that you have to make the catch, and THEN do a "football move". He didn't possess the ball until he was already stumbling forward. Incomplete. And will be incomplete every time it happens.

[Gunther]

A single step is not a football move.  I've seen that called many, many times.  It has overruled catches, fumbles etc.

He took the step AND reached for the goal line, down by contact. If he had simply fallen, it would not have been a catch but he extended for the end zone after securing possession. Even Perrera, while talking out of both sides of his mouth, conceded that he "pushed" the ball towards the goal line. But for some reason, in his mind that did not constitute "extending", which makes no sense. Anyway, don't care who wins next week in either game but will be pulling for another NFC championship so Go Pack/Hawks.

[boogielicious]

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Originally Posted by boogielicious

A single step is not a football move.  I've seen that called many, many times.  It has overruled catches, fumbles etc.

He took the step AND reached for the goal line, down by contact. If he had simply fallen, it would not have been a catch but he extended for the end zone after securing possession.

Even Perrera, while talking out of both sides of his mouth, conceded that he "pushed" the ball towards the goal line. But for some reason, in his mind that did not constitute "extending", which makes no sense.

Anyway, don't care who wins next week in either game but will be pulling for another NFC championship so Go Pack/Hawks.

Nah.  He double clutched, then fell to the ground while stretching out, but did not secure the ball through the process of making the catch.  Incomplete by rule, by definition.  McCarthy was smart to challenge.

[Abu3baid]

That didn't come into play here. You're allowed to juggle the ball across the end zone plane so long as you do regain full possession at some point in the end zone.

Of course you are allowed to juggle.. I was answering the question posed and not the actual play at hand..

Nah.  He double clutched, then fell to the ground while stretching out, but did not secure the ball through the process of making the catch.  Incomplete by rule, by definition.  McCarthy was smart to challenge.

Agreed other than the McCarthy was smart to challenge part.. at that point the play looked questionable, so he would have been a fool not to challenge rather than smart in challenging (IMO anyway) what does he have to lose at the point?

[CarlSpackler]

By my rules, it's a catch. By NFL rules, not a catch.

[boogielicious]

By my rules, it's a catch. By NFL rules, not a catch.

That is a completely different discussion!

[CarlSpackler]

That is a completely different discussion!

Yes. Yes it is.