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Ok...struggling to get everything slotting together in my swing (see member swing section).

I think a lot of the issue begins with the backswing, I am struggling to trust feeling a turn back with extension, its an absolute killer.

I've had a thought on this, if I slow it down and make sure my arms are in front does it really matter if i do this extremely slowly?

Does slower in the backswing mean less downswing power?

Am I talking rubbish?


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Ok...struggling to get everything slotting together in my swing (see member swing section).

I think a lot of the issue begins with the backswing, I am struggling to trust feeling a turn back with extension, its an absolute killer.

I've had a thought on this, if I slow it down and make sure my arms are in front does it really matter if i do this extremely slowly?

Does slower in the backswing mean less downswing power?

Am I talking rubbish?

I'm pretty sure, no.

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I would tend to agree with Lihu. In my case, I always try to make a slow tempo back swing, as I have a bad habit of getting to quick on the down swing. In my case, if I have a good slower tempo, I have a better chance to make good contact, which makes the ball go further, than an all out speedy swing that usually results in a mis hit.

As always, if you are practicing a certain drill, do it slow, until it gets ingrained.

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Ok...struggling to get everything slotting together in my swing (see member swing section).

I think a lot of the issue begins with the backswing, I am struggling to trust feeling a turn back with extension, its an absolute killer.

I've had a thought on this, if I slow it down and make sure my arms are in front does it really matter if i do this extremely slowly?

Does slower in the backswing mean less downswing power?

Am I talking rubbish?

As long as your turn rates are OK I don't think it matters what your tempo is at. You have golfers like Ernie Els or golfers like Nick Price, two opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of tempo yet they were very very good golfers.

I would say don't shy away from your natural tempo, but fix your turn rates. Also bad turn rates can make your body feel different. Like downswing turn rates can make you feel like you are swinging faster because the club is passing the hands too soon. So, fixing your turn rates would probably help fix your tempo as well.

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As long as your turn rates are OK I don't think it matters what your tempo is at. You have golfers like Ernie Els or golfers like Nick Price, two opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of tempo yet they were very very good golfers.

Whether you call that tempo or rhythm, there's a difference.

I'd call tempo the ratio of backswing to downswing, and maybe use rhythm to describe the overall pace of the swing.

PGA Tour players are remarkably consistent at 2.5 to 3:1 backswing:downswing.

Tempo matters.

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Whether you call that tempo or rhythm, there's a difference.

I'd call tempo the ratio of backswing to downswing, and maybe use rhythm to describe the overall pace of the swing.

PGA Tour players are remarkably consistent at 2.5 to 3:1 backswing:downswing.

Tempo matters.

I guess I was mixing up terms then. I always considered tempo as fast or slow. Not sure if the ratio to backswing and downswing is actually tempo or something else. If tempo is the word to describe that ratio in the golf swing then that is fine.

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Has anyone tried the Tour Tempo app? I have it and have messed around with it a couple times but never stuck with it.

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Tempo is the ratio of backswing to downswing. I'm not a pro, but I know what it is. My 3baysGSA measures my swing tempo and I'm dead consistent at 2.7 - 2.8:1.

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Backswing is the key my friend. Tour temp is intelligent analysis but difficult to consciously apply. Less thinking = better playing

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Ok...struggling to get everything slotting together in my swing (see member swing section).

I think a lot of the issue begins with the backswing, I am struggling to trust feeling a turn back with extension, its an absolute killer.

I've had a thought on this, if I slow it down and make sure my arms are in front does it really matter if i do this extremely slowly?

Does slower in the backswing mean less downswing power?

Am I talking rubbish?

Does slower in the backswing mean less downswing power?  Not necessarily.  Check out Hideki Matsuyama's swing.

I recommend looking at this thread below.  You can practice a slower backswing and downswing to train yourself to do both properly.  Then when you swing at your normal tempo, the faster swing will be better.

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Does slower in the backswing mean less downswing power?  Not necessarily.  Check out Hideki Matsuyama's swing. I recommend looking at this thread below.  You can practice a slower backswing and downswing to train yourself to do both properly.  Then when you swing at your normal tempo, the faster swing will be better.    [CONTENTEMBED=/t/54840/simple-specific-slow-short-and-success-the-five-s-s-of-great-practice layout=inline]​[/CONTENTEMBED]

I was just about to mention Matsuyama. Several other Pros, both ladies and men have had a distinct pause at the top. And as a younger man, I would try a drill that involved taking the club to the top of the backswing position by just bringing it over my head like a lumberjack. Bring it up and over, set the wrist angle and swing from there. Eye/hand coordination improved greatly! But if you watch these folks- I wouldn't say they are dead still in their swing. They bring it around and, while it LOOKS like they've stopped, some other part of the body is in motion. whether it's the left foot starting to settle back, a knee being loaded or a weight shift starting. While I didn't do a metronome check on Hideki's swing, I would suspect his "tempo" is similar to just about everyone else.


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