The Tiger Woods/PED Thread

[David in FL]

2 hours ago, Apoc81 said:

Tiger isn't very big, he's just (fairly) tall, with thich legs, arms, shoulders, and chest. It gives him proportion and makes him look bigger, but he is certainly not big. 

Says the guy who's "been weight training since before high school, is 6'4" and quite big"....

 

[Alx]

6'1 at 185 is pretty small. There is nothing in his physique to suggest ped usage at any point.

However some peds can be used to speed up injury recovery and rehab. There isnt really much research on this for obvious reasons.

If there is a ped that wouldve helped Tiger recover I doubt he or any pro athlete would hesitate to use it. Especially if the risk of getting caught was virtually zero.

Tough call but based on physique theres nothing suspicious.

[Apoc81]

4 hours ago, David in FL said:

Says the guy who's "been weight training since before high school, is 6'4" and quite big"....

 

Yes, but that's not because of PED use, I have a naturally wide frame a have always trained hard. Tiger has never been big enough to be accused of using PED's.

[David in FL]

12 minutes ago, Apoc81 said:

Yes, but that's not because of PED use, I have a naturally wide frame a have always trained hard. Tiger has never been big enough to be accused of using PED's.

All I meant, somewhat tongue-in-cheek, is that "big" is relative.  You are a BIG dude.  Your perspective of anyone "not being very big" is very different than that of a scrawny little guy like me!  

Honestly no comment on Tiger at all.  I don't have a clue one way or another as to his possible PED use.

 

[Apoc81]

4 hours ago, David in FL said:

All I meant, somewhat tongue-in-cheek, is that "big" is relative.  You are a BIG dude.  Your perspective of anyone "not being very big" is very different than that of a scrawny little guy like me!  

Honestly no comment on Tiger at all.  I don't have a clue one way or another as to his possible PED use.

 

I get it, but tigers frame is perfectly capable of capable of holding 185lbs at his height. Tiger woods has never on PED's and the comparison I read earlier comparing him to Bonds and McGuire was out of this world stupid. I believe he used hgh under a doctors care while recovering, but most of you don't even realize that HGH is not a steroid, and speeds up the recovery process. Anyone, athlete or not, would be foolish not to use it after a major surgery.

Edited June 4, 2017 by Apoc81

[ChrisP]

1 hour ago, Apoc81 said:

I get it, but tigers frame is perfectly capable of capable of holding 185lbs at his height. Tiger woods has never on PED's and the comparison I read earlier comparing him to Bonds and McGuire was out of this world stupid. I believe he used hgh under a doctors care while recovering, but most of you don't even realize that HGH is not a steroid, and speeds up the recovery process. Anyone, athlete or not, would be foolish not to use it after a major surgery.

When I compared Tiger to Bonds/McGwire, I wasn't comparing their body bulk....I was comparing the way their bodies broke down and collapsed on them, which is what seems to be happening to Tiger's. And it's not just the back...Tiger's had to withdraw from tournaments with knee problems, a stiff neck, a bad wrist, an injured ankle and back/shoulder issues. It's not just one part of the body for Tiger...it's been multiple areas. And I'm not saying they're steroids related....but any athlete who has this many injury issues and there's speculation out there that he may have been linked to them (i.e. the Gallea link)...I think it's only natural that one is going to raise their eyebrows a little bit. If you're not raising your eyebrows, then you're one of the members of the Tiger Woods fan club which whatever comes out of his mouth, you take as the truth.

LIke I said many times before, I don't think he took steroids early on his career. I think he may have taken a PED or HGH to recover from his knee surgery back or battle his knee problems some 8-10 years ago. And he may have taken something recently to try and battle these back problems and that could only be making things only worse. I don't know. But that's just my opinion. 

Edited June 4, 2017 by ChrisP

[Shorty]

I think changing golf fashion has someting to do with the visibility of muscle and the appearance of physical transformation.

Edited June 4, 2017 by Shorty

[David in FL]

9 hours ago, Shorty said:

I think changing golf fashion has someting to do with the visibility of muscle and the appearance of physical transformation.

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Stop the presses!  Forget PED's and DUI's, that shirt has no collar!

Finally, clear evidence that Tiger has no respect for the game of golf!  

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*  2 emoticons necessary lest @Apoc81 and others think I'm serious.  What the hell, one more, just to be sure.  

[Apoc81]

10 hours ago, ChrisP said:

When I compared Tiger to Bonds/McGwire, I wasn't comparing their body bulk....I was comparing the way their bodies broke down and collapsed on them, which is what seems to be happening to Tiger's. And it's not just the back...Tiger's had to withdraw from tournaments with knee problems, a stiff neck, a bad wrist, an injured ankle and back/shoulder issues. It's not just one part of the body for Tiger...it's been multiple areas. And I'm not saying they're steroids related....but any athlete who has this many injury issues and there's speculation out there that he may have been linked to them (i.e. the Gallea link)...I think it's only natural that one is going to raise their eyebrows a little bit. If you're not raising your eyebrows, then you're one of the members of the Tiger Woods fan club which whatever comes out of his mouth, you take as the truth.

LIke I said many times before, I don't think he took steroids early on his career. I think he may have taken a PED or HGH to recover from his knee surgery back or battle his knee problems some 8-10 years ago. And he may have taken something recently to try and battle these back problems and that could only be making things only worse. I don't know. But that's just my opinion. 

All of which can be attributed to back problems due to compensation of the body. The body does not work correctly when you have back problems, it's a subconscious mechanism to prevent further injury. Those pullouts made perfect sense, why hurt yourself even more just to please fans who want to see you play> 

 

Like I said, I believe he used (Low dose) HGH to recover from surgery. Hell, they gave it to me with my 3rd degree burns to promote healing, and that was just debridement and skin grafts. (4iu/day for 6 months). So I have no doubt every injured pro athlete has used it suring surgery. You need to give yourself every benefit to heal. 

 

I agree with a lot of what you said though.  

[saevel25]

13 hours ago, ChrisP said:

When I compared Tiger to Bonds/McGwire, I wasn't comparing their body bulk....I was comparing the way their bodies broke down and collapsed on them, which is what seems to be happening to Tiger's.

Tiger has had issues with his body since his junior years. 

He's battled through injuries his whole career.  

14 hours ago, ChrisP said:

And I'm not saying they're steroids related....but any athlete who has this many injury issues and there's speculation out there that he may have been linked to them (i.e. the Gallea link)...I think it's only natural that one is going to raise their eyebrows a little bit. If you're not raising your eyebrows, then you're one of the members of the Tiger Woods fan club which whatever comes out of his mouth, you take as the truth.

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No, but you are implying it. 

A lot of athletes have nagging injuries.

3 hours ago, Apoc81 said:

Like I said, I believe he used (Low dose) HGH to recover from surgery.

Pure speculation.

[Apoc81]

8 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Tiger has had issues with his body since his junior years. 

He's battled through injuries his whole career.  

No, but you are implying it. 

A lot of athletes have nagging injuries.

Pure speculation.

Which is why I said "I believe...". Besides that, he'd be an idiot not to.. he's healing, not golfing. Using hgh after surgery is not against any golf rule I know of. 

Edited June 4, 2017 by Apoc81

[Apoc81]

On 2015-02-17 at 1:12 PM, motsco said:

much as my opinion won't be liked but I vote yes, both he and Phil I think did them, you just look at the size of their muscles before the Ped investigations started vs after, they both deflated and their games dropped a notch, I'm sure their are other golfers who used them also. but thos 2 stand out the most.

Lololol

Phil on PED's. That's the funniest thing I've heard today.

[70sSanO]

I highly doubt Tiger has juiced, as in no way.  As for HGH, I thought that was a banned substance.  It has been for most other sports, at least in the last 10 years.

And I do believe that there are pros, primarily those who are on the bubble that would take whatever if it gave them any help to stay on a tour, even a lower level tour.

But Tiger, not a chance.

John

[boogielicious]

7 hours ago, Apoc81 said:

Lololol

Phil on PED's. That's the funniest thing I've heard today.

Sure, if you consider Enbrel performance enhancing!  The dude has psoriatic arthritis. I'm just happy for him that he can still play.

[ChrisP]

20 hours ago, saevel25 said:

Tiger has had issues with his body since his junior years. 

He's battled through injuries his whole career.  

 

Did not know that. Does someone have a list of all of Tiger Woods WD's and injury related absences from 1996-2008? I was unaware he was dealing with injury issues besides some knee issues. I searched but each time it said Tiger Woods had no injury issues prior to 2008 (besides his knee), so I must be searching something wrong.

9 hours ago, 70sSanO said:

I highly doubt Tiger has juiced, as in no way.  As for HGH, I thought that was a banned substance.  It has been for most other sports, at least in the last 10 years.

And I do believe that there are pros, primarily those who are on the bubble that would take whatever if it gave them any help to stay on a tour, even a lower level tour.

But Tiger, not a chance.

John

It's banned, but that doesn't stop athletes from using it. First I remember hearing about it was Andy Petitte who said some 10 years ago he took it to heal from surgery faster and then admitted there are a lot of athletes out there who use it for the same reason.

Edited June 5, 2017 by ChrisP

[Groucho Valentine]

On June 3, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Alx said:

6'1 at 185 is pretty small. There is nothing in his physique to suggest ped usage at any point.

However some peds can be used to speed up injury recovery and rehab. There isnt really much research on this for obvious reasons.

If there is a ped that wouldve helped Tiger recover I doubt he or any pro athlete would hesitate to use it. Especially if the risk of getting caught was virtually zero.

Tough call but based on physique theres nothing suspicious.

I think 90% of this Tiger PED stuff is generated by people who unconditionally hate him and take his successes as a personal insult. The PED accusations (in their mind) discredits his career. 

[MuniGrit]

When did the PGA start testing and when did Tigers game fall off?

[Groucho Valentine]

7 minutes ago, MuniGrit said:

When did the PGA start testing and when did Tigers game fall off?

In 2008. A lot of people point to his car accident that ended his marriage is the point of his game falling apart. But he won a POY and several more tournaments after that. So the excuse that some in the PED camp like to make doesn't really hold up. Then from there it seemed like the augment descended into tigers lack of majors since the testing began, as if steroids was the only reason he won 14 majors...