Bounce

[TimS65]

This is a few years old now, but still explains bounce very well. A Crossfield special...

Golf Wedges How To Choose The Correct Bounce:

I found it useful, see if it helps you too.

[iacas]

I haven't watched that video, but we have a number of threads here that can help people too.

PING named their new wedges "Glide" wedges because that's what bounce truly is… and they borrowed the name from @david_wedzik and myself (via @mvmac ).

Here's a useful thread that talks about it:

[mvmac]

Not a great video IMO. You can have have a high bounce wedge and have the leading edge flush to the ground.

[Torres9]

Not a great video IMO. You can have have a high bounce wedge and have the leading edge flush to the ground.

This is absolutely true, honestly still took some time for me to understand. mvmac what bounce do you use on your Lob? And do you use it in bunkers often?

[mvmac]

This is absolutely true, honestly still took some time for me to understand. mvmac what bounce do you use on your Lob? And do you use it in bunkers often?

The 52 has 12 and the 58 has 10. They play closer to a "high" bounce wedge of the design and camber of the sole. How/where you measure the bounce is important. The Glide wedges are even better, they "effectively" have a healthy amount of bounce or glide.

Most of my bunker shots are with the 58 unless it's a longer shot.

[boogielicious]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torres9

This is absolutely true, honestly still took some time for me to understand. mvmac what bounce do you use on your Lob? And do you use it in bunkers often?

The 52 has 12 and the 58 has 10. They play closer to a "high" bounce wedge of the design and camber of the sole. How/where you measure the bounce is important. The Glide wedges are even better, they "effectively" have a healthy amount of bounce or glide.

Most of my bunker shots are with the 58 unless it's a longer shot.

My vokey SM5 58.11 is "high bounce" but has a lot of camber so it glides very well through the rough, fairway and even tight hard lies.  It almost glides too well through sand.  I have to open it up a bit.

Below is a nice illustration from the Vokey site that shows bounce, grind and camber.

[cspin]

Not a great video IMO. You can have have a high bounce wedge and have the leading edge flush to the ground.

I am trying to get my mind around this concept, of having high bounce and yet a leading edge flush to the ground.  It goes against everything I thought I knew about bounce.  I pulled the below quote from an article on another website where Bob Vokey was being featured....

"One of the most important aspects of a wedge’s grind is the bounce angle, which simply put is the measurement of how far the leading edge of a wedge sits off the ground. More bounce means the leading edge rests higher off the ground at address, and less bounce means the leading edge is closer to the ground."

If I sole my 58 - 12 Vokey wedge on concrete the leading edge is well off the ground.  In my research on Edel wedges I must have missed something, because they have bounce angles in the 20*+ range and yet apparently can have the leading edge sit flush to the ground.  The only way to do this with my Vokey would be to introduce significant shaft lean to bring the leading edge down.

It must have something to do with the location where the bounce angle is actually measured, and how it works through impact.  I honestly thought the above statement in quotes was true, and that the higher the leading edge was off the ground the higher the bounce on the wedge.  Sure hoping someone can realign my compass.  (btw, I looked elsewhere for an answer before posting this but could not come up with anything that explained this).

Thanks!

[boogielicious]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mvmac

Not a great video IMO. You can have have a high bounce wedge and have the leading edge flush to the ground.

I am trying to get my mind around this concept, of having high bounce and yet a leading edge flush to the ground.  It goes against everything I thought I knew about bounce.  I pulled the below quote from an article on another website where Bob Vokey was being featured....

"One of the most important aspects of a wedge’s grind is the bounce angle, which simply put is the measurement of how far the leading edge of a wedge sits off the ground. More bounce means the leading edge rests higher off the ground at address, and less bounce means the leading edge is closer to the ground."

If I sole my 58 - 12 Vokey wedge on concrete the leading edge is well off the ground.  In my research on Edel wedges I must have missed something, because they have bounce angles in the 20*+ range and yet apparently can have the leading edge sit flush to the ground.  The only way to do this with my Vokey would be to introduce significant shaft lean to bring the leading edge down.

It must have something to do with the location where the bounce angle is actually measured, and how it works through impact.  I honestly thought the above statement in quotes was true, and that the higher the leading edge was off the ground the higher the bounce on the wedge.  Sure hoping someone can realign my compass.  (btw, I looked elsewhere for an answer before posting this but could not come up with anything that explained this).

Thanks!

Welcome to the forum @cspin

I can't address the Edel wedges, but I do have a Vokey 58-12 SM4 and 58-11 SM5.  Think of the bounce a guard against the leading edge digging in the turf.  If you had no bounce, then the leading edge will be flush with the turf at impact.  Any forward lean and you risk catching turf before the ball.  You have to be precise with the ground contact and ball contact at the same time.

With bounce, the sole hits first unless you really lean at impact.  It literally bounces off the turf and gives you a margin of error.  That margin, plus good pitching/chipping technique, gives you more of a chance to succeed even on hard pan.  It also helps a lot in sand and in the rough.

[cspin]

Thanks boogielicious!  I understand the concept you explained, about using the sole and not letting the leading edge dig.  The last couple years I have gotten away from using the leading edge on short game shots, including chip shots.  It has helped my game quite a bit.  What I do not understand is post #3 above, where it indicates that a wedge can have high bounce and yet a leading edge that is flush with the ground when soled.  It just does not compute with me.  I brought up Edel wedges because they can have very high bounce, and I was reading up on them.  Also, seem to recall coming across a similar post about high bounce and low leading edge in another post on TST about Edel wedges.  I am sure someone will chime in and get me pointed in the right direction on this.

[boogielicious]

Thanks boogielicious!  I understand the concept you explained, about using the sole and not letting the leading edge dig.  The last couple years I have gotten away from using the leading edge on short game shots, including chip shots.  It has helped my game quite a bit.  What I do not understand is post #3 above, where it indicates that a wedge can have high bounce and yet a leading edge that is flush with the ground when soled.  It just does not compute with me.  I brought up Edel wedges because they can have very high bounce, and I was reading up on them.  Also, seem to recall coming across a similar post about high bounce and low leading edge in another post on TST about Edel wedges.  I am sure someone will chime in and get me pointed in the right direction on this.

I recall seeing a photo showing that.  It may be in this thread.

[cspin]

I found this photo on Golf Digest's website, and it depicts bounce angle as I thought it was....before reading post #3.

[Shorty]

I found this photo on Golf Digest's website, and it depicts bounce angle as I thought it was....before reading post #3.

The illustration above is correct.

It is the same as post 3. The angles are the same. Basic  geometry.

[cspin]

Found this (below) on Renegar's website, where they discuss being able to lower the leading edge while increasing the bounce on the wedge.  They say this is done by carving out the middle of the sole, so that the leading edge is lowered.  The bounce is removed from where you do not need it, according to Renegar.  This is supposed to do away with the "problem" of golfers hitting thin  shots with their high bounce wedges because the leading edge is so high off the ground.  Again, not sure how all this works, and not sure how Edel can get into the 20*+ bounce area and keep the leading edge low.  To me, it would seem that if you lower the leading edge you are bringing the "problem" back into play, which is the potential to dig.  I know from playing golf for 30+ years that it is a game where things are often not as simple or straightforward as they might seem.  In fact, at times the opposite of what you might think is actually true.  There is probably a bit of that going on here, and I certainly do not profess to know the intricacies of wedge design or sole/turf interaction through impact.

[Ernest Jones]

Keep in mind that the shots where you want to have a lot of bounce are also the shots were you want little to no, or even negative shaft lean.

[Jakester23]

What confuses me about wedges (bounce grind ect..) is lets just say I were to purchase a Ping Glide TS, SS, & WS (all with different amounts of bounce but the same loft) are they going to be noticeably different in full swing shots, half shots, around the green shots or all of the above?

[oregongolfguy]

Found this (below) on Renegar's website, where they discuss being able to lower the leading edge while increasing the bounce on the wedge.  They say this is done by carving out the middle of the sole, so that the leading edge is lowered.  The bounce is removed from where you do not need it, according to Renegar.  This is supposed to do away with the "problem" of golfers hitting thin  shots with their high bounce wedges because the leading edge is so high off the ground.  Again, not sure how all this works, and not sure how Edel can get into the 20*+ bounce area and keep the leading edge low.  To me, it would seem that if you lower the leading edge you are bringing the "problem" back into play, which is the potential to dig.  I know from playing golf for 30+ years that it is a game where things are often not as simple or straightforward as they might seem.  In fact, at times the opposite of what you might think is actually true.  There is probably a bit of that going on here, and I certainly do not profess to know the intricacies of wedge design or sole/turf interaction through impact.

I could be totally wrong.  But I look at that and I see that the renegar is a lower bounce wedge.  Playability may be totally different though...don't know......I have taylormade ATV wedges which have a really wide sole.  Which is supposed to be good, but I struggle with them.....although I'm sure it is more my technique then the wedges fault.

[Hammer 4]

All I know is, I wish I had bought my 60 degree with way more bounce than 4 degrees. My 50 has 12, and I consistently hit it better. Although on tight lies, I have no problems hitting high flop shots with the 60. Bounce imho is a good thang.

[billchao]

I am trying to get my mind around this concept, of having high bounce and yet a leading edge flush to the ground.  It goes against everything I thought I knew about bounce.

It's possible due to sole grind. You can get high bounce wedges with the camber ground down so that the leading edge sits lower to the ground when it is open, yet retains it's higher-bounce benefits.

I have a Vokey SM5 60.08 with the M grind. The leading edge sits fairly low to the ground even when I open it up all the way.