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Just saw this advertised on Yahoo, had to click on it.

https://vip.polaragolf.com/getpolaradriver

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POLARA GOLF PRODUCTS MAKE GOLF MORE FUN!!!

KEY FEATURES of the POLARA GOLF ADVANTAGE driver:

Designed to be the Longest Hitting Driver for golfers of all skill levels and driving abilities, up to 40 yards more distance

Ultra-thin beta-Titanium face is lighter, stronger, and more resilient than standard Titanium drivers creating a trampoline effect for explosive distance

475cc over-sized head has a larger sweet spot for fewer mishits with more accuracy and consistency

Wide variety of lofts for every type of golfer

The HL1 and HL3 loft Drivers are designed specifically for slow swing speed golfers; no other drivers even come close in performance.

Approved by the US Recreational Golf Association (USRGA.org)

All Polara Golf Products are Money-Back Guarantee

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The bold and underlined part is mine. USRGA approved? Hahahaha :-) That must make it legal huh?

Keep your eyes peeled for folks playing these clubs without mentioning to you that they are illegal---

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Did not know the usrga was even a thing. I wonder if it came about with Polaras help specifically for this reason?
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Did not know the usrga was even a thing. I wonder if it came about with Polaras help specifically for this reason?

Tom R.

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At first I figured it was some high COR design, but it is just an oversize head. Doesn't make good business sense to make a non-conforming design for a measly 15cc. You'd think Polara was making it illegal just for sake of making it illegal.

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Rulesman can correct me if I am wrong, I believe the USGA allows 10 cc over 460 cc for measuring tolerances...

[quote name="SavvySwede" url="/t/81162/polara-a-new-illegal-driver-approved-by-the-usrga#post_1123395"]At first I figured it was some high COR design, but it is just an oversize head. Doesn't make good business sense to make a non-conforming design for a measly 15cc. You'd think Polara was making it illegal just for sake of making it illegal. [/quote] Rulesman... can correct me if I am wrong, I believe the USGA allows 10 cc over 460 cc for measuring tolerances... it's only illegal by 5 cc if memory serves me correctly..,

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At first I figured it was some high COR design, but it is just an oversize head. Doesn't make good business sense to make a non-conforming design for a measly 15cc. You'd think Polara was making it illegal just for sake of making it illegal.

The best thieves are subtle ones like the pickpockets of Paris. +15 is not a number you will see in the bag as an odd club. Personally I would prefer a crossbow. I could really get my ball out there and they look cool. The marshalls would be more respectful also. In for a penny of illegal club, in for a pound.

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Did not know the usrga was even a thing. I wonder if it came about with Polaras help specifically for this reason?

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Did not know the usrga was even a thing. I wonder if it came about with Polaras help specifically for this reason?

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Did not know the usrga was even a thing. I wonder if it came about with Polaras help specifically for this reason?

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Probably what they call their board of directors.   People with low reading comprehension will miss the "R" in USRGA and think that it's USGA approved.  This sort of promotion is devious and underhanded.  Just because of this sort tactic, I wouldn't buy a club from them if it was legal.

But they do provide a pubic service by having a website that lists vendors that support them, thereby giving me a convenient list of companies that I will never do business with in any way.

But then again, what the hell do I know?

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USRGA

Google:

About 3,270 results (0.37 seconds)

Did you mean: USGA

Yeah, pretty much everyone would have meant "USGA." What a racket.

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No magic in that stuff anyway. I built a nonconforming high COR driver last year just for grins and played a couple rounds with it after reading an article claiming amateurs would enjoy golf more using nonconforming equipment if they played better. I was thinking if I saw gains I'd build some nonconforming stuff for my Mom since she is nearly 70 and just plays for fun. Didn't fix my swing flaws that's for sure but it didn't perform better than other conforming drivers I have from the same component company.

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Just saw this advertised on Yahoo, had to click on it.

https://vip.polaragolf.com/getpolaradriver

Nah, 40 yards is not enough for me to want to cheat. Now, 50 yards? Maybe. :-D

EDIT: No lefty clubs, can't cheat anyway. . .

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But they do provide a pubic service by having a website that lists vendors that support them, thereby giving me a convenient list of companies that I will never do business with in any way.

That's not fair.

SNAG is great.

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Originally Posted by iacas View Post

That's not fair.

SNAG is great.

You are entitled to your opinion.  Mine is that this whole organization has, as its purpose, deceiving people into buying illegal equipment through deception, and any golf organization that chooses to become associated with them should be shunned.  Look around the Website and you will see that most of it is nonsensical.  Like the part about USRGA  "handicaps" which must be based on rounds played under USRGA rules - which means NO RULES WHATSOEVER.  From the USRGA "Rulebook":

Quote:
2. The Rules of Play are to be agreed upon in advance by the players before teeing off on the first hole. The highest authority for settling disputes is the foursome or player’s group. They may ultimately decide what is right under all circumstances.  Players may agree to add, waive or amend any Rule.  If there is a dispute not covered by the Rules, then the golfers in the group will determine how to resolve the dispute; the decision should be made in accordance with what is fair. The players may appoint a ruling committee for the purpose of settling issues during group or tournament play.  Advice may be sought or offered during the course of play but responding to a request is at the discretion of the golfers in the group.

C'mon the whole thing is a fraud and any company should be able to figure this out - and if they participate notwithstanding that, they do not need my business.

IMO it is one thing for people to play this way.  It is quite another thing to codify it and give in any kind of imprimatur of legitimacy.

But then again, what the hell do I know?

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You are entitled to your opinion.  Mine is that this whole organization has, as its purpose, deceiving people into buying illegal equipment through deception, and any golf organization that chooses to become associated with them should be shunned.  Look around the Website and you will see that most of it is nonsensical.  Like the part about USRGA  "handicaps" which must be based on rounds played under USRGA rules - which means NO RULES WHATSOEVER.  From the USRGA "Rulebook": C'mon the whole thing is a fraud and any company should be able to figure this out - and if they participate notwithstanding that, they do not need my business. IMO it is one thing for people to play this way.  It is quite another thing to codify it and give in any kind of imprimatur of legitimacy.

I don't condemn anything that gets more people to golf. If my goal wasn't to get to or just under 10HC and couldn't hit as far as I do, I might use this stuff. As far as I can tell, it only adds 40 yards with their special balls. More people would simply be able to play standard length courses. . .

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[quote name="turtleback" url="/t/81162/polara-a-new-illegal-driver-approved-by-the-usrga#post_1123904"] You are entitled to your opinion.  Mine is that this whole organization has, as its purpose, deceiving people into buying illegal equipment through deception, and any golf organization that chooses to become associated with them should be shunned.  Look around the Website and you will see that most of it is nonsensical.  Like the part about USRGA  "handicaps" which must be based on rounds played under USRGA rules - which means NO RULES WHATSOEVER.  From the USRGA "Rulebook": C'mon the whole thing is a fraud and any company should be able to figure this out - and if they participate notwithstanding that, they do not need my business. IMO it is one thing for people to play this way.  It is quite another thing to codify it and give in any kind of imprimatur of legitimacy.

I don't condemn anything that gets more people to golf. If my goal wasn't to get to or just under 10HC and couldn't hit as far as I do, I might use this stuff. As far as I can tell, it only adds 40 yards with their special balls. More people would simply be able to play standard length courses. . .[/quote] Buy it. Its fun and wont change your score I am betting.

Tom R.

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Buy it. Its fun and wont change your score I am betting.

Nothing for lefties, and you're probably right about the scoring part.

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