Playing Golf with Someone Carrying a Weapon

[rehmwa]

14 metal sticks they can try to hit me with.

Sorry - I don't care what they are made of.  2 or 3 of them are woods

[14ledo81]

[QUOTE name="Silent" url="/t/81903/playing-golf-with-someone-carrying-a-weapon/60_30#post_1140865"] It's interesting to see how important it is for a lot of people in USA that they actually have the right to own (and carry) a gun. A complete mind**** for me and most people in the Netherlands and other countries nearby. And by some the believe that it makes them saver; maybe in a specific situation it can, but the society in total is obviously not a saver place if everybody is allowed to carry a gun (meaning that buying a gun is also easier,). If I would be a criminal and I know that my potential victims will probably have a gun, will I stop targetting them? Or will I also get my hands on a gun or even get more violent from the start to contain potential danger? I'm sure innocent lives will be saved in some examples because people carry, but criminals will more likely join the party carrying heavy or more violently as well which costs lives. Because of the gun laws it's also more easy for them to own and get one, and there are just a lot of guns 'on the market'. Anyway, not too much off topic I hope. Not judging, is just an interesting observation: our cultures are alike, yet so different (this is one example).[/QUOTE] An awful lot of people here in the US feel the same as you, FYI. :beer:

And a lot don't... :)

[disco111]

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I draw the line when I see an AR15 in the guys bag, instead of a 3 wood!...

[rehmwa]

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I draw the line when I see an AR15 in the guys bag, instead of a 3 wood!...

crap, I likely can't shoot straight with either anyway

and certainly the 3 wood is a lot more accurate at 250 yards regardless

[newtogolf]

The poll is biased because;

1. most people with a CCW would likely never disclose he/she was carrying a gun unless threatened
2. You likely wouldn't be able to see it.
3. Very few people that have a CCW would carry a "loaded revolver" (as stipulated in the poll question) because of the size, weight and limitation of loaded rounds.

My uncle is a retired police officer and always carried a pistol while off duty even to family functions.  I never had any clue that he did until one day when I was in my twenties and asked him.

I'd bet most of you have been on the course or even paired up with guys carrying a concealed pistol and had no idea he was carrying.  Some of the guns are so small you would not even know they were carrying one, especially if they carried in a wallet holsters.

[Golfingdad]

And a lot don't... :)

Of course ... I didn't mean to (and didn't think I did) imply otherwise.

[14ledo81]

[QUOTE name="14ledo81" url="/t/81903/playing-golf-with-someone-carrying-a-weapon/90_30#post_1140964"] And a lot don't... :)[/QUOTE] Of course ... I didn't mean to (and didn't think I did) imply otherwise.

You didn't... Just didn't want to leave anything to chance... :)

[cipher]

You didn't... Just didn't want to leave anything to chance... :)

Speaking of not wanting to leave anything to chance. I got my bag all set for this weekend. Anyone want to hit the course with me?

[Jeremie Boop]

Speaking of not wanting to leave anything to chance. I got my bag all set for this weekend. Anyone want to hit the course with me?

.223? Sure that's enough stopping power?

[cipher]

.223? Sure that's enough stopping power?

No, it is not. 6.8 spc II actually.

[Jeremie Boop]

No, it is not. 6.8 spc II actually.

Yeah, that's a bit more serious ammo.

[joekelly]

'Carry your sword as long as you must'  This a famous old quotation, attributed to some early Quaker preacher.

As long as you see violence as a solution to human problems, then carry your sword.

If no one tells the gun toting cowboy that he is unwanted in your town, then he will stay and believe he is welcome.  If you don't want to play golf, maybe even  share a buggy, with someone who needs to carry a gun during a round of golf, then be certain to tell that bloke that you don't approve.  It's not like whether i eat meat and you do not.  The choice of the vegan has no possible direct bearing on me.  But the gun slinger will always reach for the weapon when he feels threatened or dis-respected and once the fire-blazing handgun is unleashed, all nearby, including me, are in mortal danger.

It's less the gun, but more the carrier and whether he has his head on/off the correct way that gets in the way of real discourse.  Recent news about deputy sheriffs, off-duty cops, old cops etc  shooting up someone, often recklessly tells most of us that very few carriers have the needed training and  stable personality to go thru life with a gun in hand.

[Jeremie Boop]

'Carry your sword as long as you must'  This a famous old quotation, attributed to some early Quaker preacher.

As long as you see violence as a solution to human problems, then carry your sword.

If no one tells the gun toting cowboy that he is unwanted in your town, then he will stay and believe he is welcome.  If you don't want to play golf, maybe even  share a buggy, with someone who needs to carry a gun during a round of golf, then be certain to tell that bloke that you don't approve.  It's not like whether i eat meat and you do not.  The choice of the vegan has no possible direct bearing on me.  But the gun slinger will always reach for the weapon when he feels threatened or dis-respected and once the fire-blazing handgun is unleashed, all nearby, including me, are in mortal danger.

It's less the gun, but more the carrier and whether he has his head on/off the correct way that gets in the way of real discourse.  Recent news about deputy sheriffs, off-duty cops, old cops etc  shooting up someone, often recklessly tells most of us that very few carriers have the needed training and  stable personality to go thru life with a gun in hand.

Actually, the relatively low number of registered gun owners who resort to reckless/needless use of their weapons tells me otherwise.

[Golfingdad]

.223? Sure that's enough stopping power?

Not for the greens he plays. Stimp is like 12 or something, so anything less than an M16 is useless.

[inthehole]

The poll is biased because;

most people with a CCW would likely never disclose he/she was carrying a gun unless threatened

You likely wouldn't be able to see it.

Very few people that have a CCW would carry a "loaded revolver" (as stipulated in the poll question) because of the size, weight and limitation of loaded rounds.

My uncle is a retired police officer and always carried a pistol while off duty even to family functions.  I never had any clue that he did until one day when I was in my twenties and asked him.

I'd bet most of you have been on the course or even paired up with guys carrying a concealed pistol and had no idea he was carrying.  Some of the guns are so small you would not even know they were carrying one, especially if they carried in a wallet holsters.

this - just make sure tees and divot tool are in the other pocket so don't get caught in that trigger guard.

[JonMA1]

I was thinking the same thing. Bullet to the chest or repeated blows from metal club to the skull - either way you're just as dead.

It's interesting to see how important it is for a lot of people in USA that they actually have the right to own (and carry) a gun. A complete mind**** for me and most people in the Netherlands and other countries nearby. And by some the believe that it makes them saver; maybe in a specific situation it can, but the society in total is obviously not a saver place if everybody is allowed to carry a gun (meaning that buying a gun is also easier,). If I would be a criminal and I know that my potential victims will probably have a gun, will I stop targetting them? Or will I also get my hands on a gun or even get more violent from the start to contain potential danger? I'm sure innocent lives will be saved in some examples because people carry, but criminals will more likely join the party carrying heavy or more violently as well which costs lives. Because of the gun laws it's also more easy for them to own and get one, and there are just a lot of guns 'on the market'.

Anyway, not too much off topic I hope. Not judging, is just an interesting observation: our cultures are alike, yet so different (this is one example).

This is purely anecdotal, but it seems profound to me:

I am originally from a pretty large city (USA) and lived there for 35 years. There were several shootings per week with most being gang related and most involving illegal firearms. Growing up, very few of my friends had firearms in their homes and the ones who did had them locked up. But between the age of 10 and my early 20's, I'd personally been involved with 4 altercations that involved knives, a couple with chains and baseball bats and one where a handgun was fired - and it's not like I went out looking for trouble. My point is that there was a lot of violence involving weapons and not just guns.

In 1995, I moved up north to a small town. Because most folks hunt up here, the vast majority of homes contain firearms and a lot of people carry legally. Just like anywhere else, there are plenty of a-holes. People have arguments, fist fights, there's road rage, etc, but rarely does anyone pull a firearm. It happens, but not nearly as often as you'd think with all those weapons readily available. I know it's a smaller population, but there just seems to be a different mindset in this small town culture.

It would be nice to see this country get rid of all the illegal firearms as is the case in yours. But even if that were to happen, I'd still want the right to own firearms legally. Self-defense is a distant third on my list of reasons for having them and the thought of ever having to use one against another person isn't even on my radar.

[boogielicious]

The poll is biased because;

most people with a CCW would likely never disclose he/she was carrying a gun unless threatened

You likely wouldn't be able to see it.

Very few people that have a CCW would carry a "loaded revolver" (as stipulated in the poll question) because of the size, weight and limitation of loaded rounds.

My uncle is a retired police officer and always carried a pistol while off duty even to family functions.  I never had any clue that he did until one day when I was in my twenties and asked him.

I'd bet most of you have been on the course or even paired up with guys carrying a concealed pistol and had no idea he was carrying.  Some of the guns are so small you would not even know they were carrying one, especially if they carried in a wallet holsters.

The poll is a hypothetical set of questions. If you want to change the scenario, create a different thread and stop stating bias because you don't agree with some of the responses.

[M2R]

I would be a bit nervous as here (MA) it is illegal to carry in the manner described even for someone with a class A CCP.

I would also be nervous that if shots were fired in some kind of legitimate self defense scenario, (my understanding of the statistics is) that they tend to hit everything except the intended target.

However, statistics also show that shots being fired by a civilian legally carrying a firearm (out of question for me in the described scenario) in a legitimate self defense situation outside the home is so rare as to be almost non existent. In most instances the presence of a firearm ends the situation without shots being fired, legitimate or otherwise.