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Is it possible to go from a 30 to a scratch in 18 months?   

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  1. 1. Is it possible to go from a 30 to a scratch in 18 months?

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Posted
1 minute ago, Pretzel said:

The burden of proof lies with he who makes a claim. I'm calling you out to back up your claims.

It is good to see you learned something from our previous discussion.Now you just have to learn the difference between accusations and open mindedness.

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Posted
7 hours ago, collapse said:

What do you guys talk about during practice?

Haha boobs are good though. That's he's fun channel, don't take life to serious champ. What are you like with the bats anyway @collapse


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5 hours ago, Mjrowe1 said:

Haha boobs are good though. That's he's fun channel, don't take life to serious champ. What are you like with the bats anyway @collapse

It's the small things we don't pay enough attention to that mess us up.A big problem with golf is the real and feel issue.Standing over the ball ready to go can feel the same whether right or wrong.When you KNOW the pieces are in the right place ,then you can hit 4 balls in 45 secs like Tom Watson does in a youtube video.

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1 hour ago, collapse said:

It's the small things we don't pay enough attention to that mess us up.A big problem with golf is the real and feel issue.Standing over the ball ready to go can feel the same whether right or wrong.When you KNOW the pieces are in the right place ,then you can hit 4 balls in 45 secs like Tom Watson does in a youtube video.

There's this one golfer at the driving range who hits 2 large buckets in an hour. His form is really good and he just hits one right after another with pretty decent results. Not sure how good a player he is, but judging by where the balls land probably pretty good.

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2 minutes ago, Lihu said:

There's this one golfer at the driving range who hits 2 large buckets in an hour. His form is really good and he just hits one right after another with pretty decent results. Not sure how good a player he is, but judging by where the balls land probably pretty good.

Right....so if he goes to the course and shoots 100,you know it's mental which of course affects the mechanics.

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4 minutes ago, collapse said:

Right....so if he goes to the course and shoots 100,you know it's mental which of course affects the mechanics.

I doubt he shoots 100, guessing he's possibly scratch. Never seen him putt. He only brings 4 clubs to the range: Driver; 5i; 7i and a wedge.

Some people have asked him for advice and he seems to understand their problems. Not sure what he did in the past, but he's spending most of his time learning to speak English. Spends an hour every morning at the range. . .

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1 minute ago, Lihu said:

I doubt he shoots 100, guessing he's possibly scratch. Never seen him putt. He only brings 4 clubs to the range: Driver; 5i; 7i and a wedge.

Some people have asked him for advice and he seems to understand their problems. Not sure what he did in the past, but he's spending most of his time learning to speak English. Spends an hour every morning at the range. . .

What's his first language?

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Posted
1 minute ago, collapse said:

What's his first language?

Korean.

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7 hours ago, collapse said:

It's the small things we don't pay enough attention to that mess us up.A big problem with golf is the real and feel issue.Standing over the ball ready to go can feel the same whether right or wrong.When you KNOW the pieces are in the right place ,then you can hit 4 balls in 45 secs like Tom Watson does in a youtube video.

In your opinion.... Which is fine, but what works or doesn't work for you is going to be completely different to someone's else's strengths and weaknesses. That's the beauty of life, if everything and everyone was the same we would all be perfect and boring haha

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21 minutes ago, Mjrowe1 said:

In your opinion.... Which is fine, but what works or doesn't work for you is going to be completely different to someone's else's strengths and weaknesses. That's the beauty of life, if everything and everyone was the same we would all be perfect and boring haha

Right, it's one's own opinion.........now get out there and hit 500 balls a day.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, collapse said:

Right, it's one's own opinion.........now get out there and hit 500 balls a day.

I just started a training program focusing on different aspects of the game, it's not 500 balls, more like 250 but spaced over about 2.5 hours. I'll let you know how it goes 


Posted
11 minutes ago, collapse said:

Right, it's one's own opinion.........now get out there and hit 500 balls a day.

500 balls a day is not useful, just because you'll be too fatigued to make a concerted effort to change the picture in a meaningful way.

Go out and practice until you cannot practice without your quality of practice deteriorating, assuming you have time @Mjrowe1

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1 minute ago, Mjrowe1 said:

I just started a training program focusing on different aspects of the game, it's not 500 balls, more like 250 but spaced over about 2.5 hours. I'll let you know how it goes 

250...that's starting to be serious.

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Posted
55 minutes ago, collapse said:

250...that's starting to be serious.

I hit at most 50-75 balls in a range session. I span it out over about 1-2 hours. I've improved my swing with a fraction of golf balls hit than I did just beating ball after ball at the range when I was younger.
 


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2 hours ago, collapse said:

250...that's starting to be serious.

Ha ha, I must not be a serious golfer then. I, like Savael, only hit maybe 50-75 balls (medium to large bucket) in a range session.

Collapse, you talk about others needing an open mind, but yours appears quite closed. Perhaps you should consider that quality practice is more important than the quantity of balls you hit?

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mjrowe...read this article on good and bad swings...this supports my contention it is small things that make the difference,not big muscle swing moves.

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mjrowe.....also, please discuss this graphic with Sandy J.

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Posted
15 hours ago, collapse said:

mjrowe...read this article on good and bad swings...this supports my contention it is small things that make the difference,not big muscle swing moves.

 

Sure, once you get the proper big muscles working and somewhat in sequence, there's a whole ton of work left to do. . .

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