Presidential Race 2016

[iacas]

5 hours ago, phillyk said:

Many military personnel already said Trump can go to hell if he expects the military to kill families and do other war-crime activities. 

What?

I must really not be following things. Where in the hell did that come from?

[Chilli Dipper]

16 minutes ago, iacas said:

What?

I must really not be following things. Where in the hell did that come from?

Here's what Trump said. I don't remember which military officials made that response.

EDIT: Here's an ex-Secretary of Defense arguing Trump's stance would invite a Nuremberg-type response in the international community, and another article where military law experts weigh in.

[newtogolf]

9 minutes ago, Elmer said:

I dont think Trump has ever read the constitution nor does he have any idea what a president does.
He slams Obama for his use of executive orders, yet most of what Trump promises to do would have to come as a result of executive order. This is mainly because I can not see president Trump compelling congress to pass his nonsense plans, especially when it results in the loss of employment for congress.

So far Sanders is the only person addressing the cost of College, the fact that the Federal Govt makes a profit on college loans.
His idea by funding college for Americans is to create the "best educated workforce" in the "best interest" of our country. Many, many other countries do the same. Atleast Sanders is trying to do something in the best interest of this country and move us forward. He has some plans that are targeting not only the working class, but the poor and middle class.

So far Trump talks about how "handsome" he would be as a president!
Cruz is a dumpster fire! has someone who is not a nominee ever picked a VP prior to being elected as a nominee? 

 

https://berniesanders.com/issues/its-time-to-make-college-tuition-free-and-debt-free/

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

You have no idea what Trump knows or doesn't know.  If you remember Obama ran on a platform of being the most transparent POTUS ever and he hasn't kept his word, that's why Obama takes heat for his executive orders.  

Sanders just panders to the SJW who want more free stuff, he has no way to pay for it, but let's just give away free healthcare, free college and then we'll worry about who pays for it.  

The Federal government only makes a profit on student loans if they don't default.  They also made a profit on home mortgages until the bubble burst, how'd that work out for us?  

There are plenty of affordable state schools throughout the country, there's no need for someone to rack up over $200,000 in debt for a Bachelors degree in liberal arts or basket weaving.  You can go to college for free today, join the military.  

[StevenR84]

5 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

Sanders just panders to the SJW who want more free stuff, he has no way to pay for it, but let's just give away free healthcare, free college and then we'll worry about who pays for it.  

The Federal government only makes a profit on student loans if they don't default.  They also made a profit on home mortgages until the bubble burst, how'd that work out for us?  

There are plenty of affordable state schools throughout the country, there's no need for someone to rack up over $200,000 in debt for a Bachelors degree in liberal arts or basket weaving.  You can go to college for free today, join the military.  

Trump supporters want a free wall, everyone wants free stuff. Whatever money the government made on mortgages was a pittance compared to what the banks who issued and bought them were making (or thought they were going to make). While there may be plenty of good schools at reasonable prices, it's not enough. You can go to that state school and compete for the same job with someone who went to a better school that you got into but weren't able to afford. So now you are stuck taking a lesser job because you cant compete with the "better" school's degree. We rank poorly in the world in terms of education and every measure should be taken to help that number. There is tons of money wasted by our government and tons of tax loopholes for major corporations that can supply those funds. I agree that free college is a bit reaching, there is no reason that the price cannot come down significantly. 2 of the top 10 colleges in the entire world (Oxford and Cambridge) have an annual cost of 9000 euros, which converts to roughly $10,300. Compare that to 30k for some good state schools here and it's embarrassing.

I wonder what Trump really knows when he's asked about how to pay for his tax cuts and he responds with "Cut the Dept of Education and the EPA", then when he's asked where the other 8.2 Trillion will come from he's got no answer.

[newtogolf]

44 minutes ago, StevenR84 said:

Trump supporters want a free wall, everyone wants free stuff. Whatever money the government made on mortgages was a pittance compared to what the banks who issued and bought them were making (or thought they were going to make). While there may be plenty of good schools at reasonable prices, it's not enough. You can go to that state school and compete for the same job with someone who went to a better school that you got into but weren't able to afford. So now you are stuck taking a lesser job because you cant compete with the "better" school's degree. We rank poorly in the world in terms of education and every measure should be taken to help that number. There is tons of money wasted by our government and tons of tax loopholes for major corporations that can supply those funds. I agree that free college is a bit reaching, there is no reason that the price cannot come down significantly. 2 of the top 10 colleges in the entire world (Oxford and Cambridge) have an annual cost of 9000 euros, which converts to roughly $10,300. Compare that to 30k for some good state schools here and it's embarrassing.

I wonder what Trump really knows when he's asked about how to pay for his tax cuts and he responds with "Cut the Dept of Education and the EPA", then when he's asked where the other 8.2 Trillion will come from he's got no answer.

The reasons schools are so expensive today is because the government got involved and decided to guarantee student loans.  Look at how tuition prices have skyrocketed since the government guaranteed student loans.  

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Leading up to the 2008 housing bubble burst, credit was made available to home buyers, increasing their purchasing power in the housing market. This, in turn, inflated home prices above their worth.

In similar fashion, congressional acts between Feb. 2006 and April 2008 expanded the line of credit available to in-need students by revising the Federal Direct programs and Pell Grants. According to the report, “yearly student loan originations grew from $53 billion to $120 billion between 2001 and 2012.”

The report’s findings show that of all three programs the Federal Direct Subsidized Loans generated a 65 cent-on-the-dollar increase on college tuition, while Pell Grants generated a 50 cent-on-the-dollar increase on college tuition. 

 

You want a free ride to a good school get good grades in high school and get a scholarship or join the military.  There are plenty of good state schools in this country, no one needs to spend $250,000 on an under graduate degree.  

[saevel25]

LOL! 

[Elmer]

17 hours ago, newtogolf said:

 

There are plenty of affordable state schools throughout the country, there's no need for someone to rack up over $200,000 in debt for a Bachelors degree in liberal arts or basket weaving.  You can go to college for free today, join the military.  

I went to an affordable State school. However $5,000 a year for an 18 year old is not exactly affordable even working full time in what is a minimum wage job ($3.00 back in the day).
So on one hand we tell people that minimum wage is not meant to be lived on so go to school. However even working a minimum wage job I could not afford to live and go to school, so my student loan had to supplement my living. Therefore my college education cost me $30,000. 20 years later I only owe 1/2 of that, mostly because I am paying off interest.
And this is for a BA only, some of us had to get MA's to work in our field and that cost even more.
How much in college loans did your doctor have to pay back?

And as far as free healthcare people are already getting it and have been forever. You are sick and walk into a hospital you get treated, thanks Socialism!

You can call a liberal a fool for expecting free college from Bernie,

But you call a trump supporter a patriot for expecting mexico to pay for our wall?
Who is looking for the hand out?

 

[rehmwa]

14 minutes ago, Elmer said:

You can call a liberal a fool for expecting free college from Bernie,

But you call a trump supporter a patriot for expecting mexico to pay for our wall?
Who is looking for the hand out?

 

So your point is both of you are.

There's your problem - right there.

[newtogolf]

26 minutes ago, Elmer said:

I went to an affordable State school. However $5,000 a year for an 18 year old is not exactly affordable even working full time in what is a minimum wage job ($3.00 back in the day).
So on one hand we tell people that minimum wage is not meant to be lived on so go to school. However even working a minimum wage job I could not afford to live and go to school, so my student loan had to supplement my living. Therefore my college education cost me $30,000. 20 years later I only owe 1/2 of that, mostly because I am paying off interest.
And this is for a BA only, some of us had to get MA's to work in our field and that cost even more.
How much in college loans did your doctor have to pay back?

And as far as free healthcare people are already getting it and have been forever. You are sick and walk into a hospital you get treated, thanks Socialism!

You can call a liberal a fool for expecting free college from Bernie,

But you call a trump supporter a patriot for expecting mexico to pay for our wall?
Who is looking for the hand out?

 

Your post acknowledges your problem wasn't student loans it's that you chose to use your student loans to live off of.  

That free healthcare you're referring to is the reason why those of us that work are paying premiums that are 5-10 times what they should be.  Thanks socialism!

I didn't call anyone a fool for expecting free college, I think they might be a bit entitled and maybe a bit lazy too.  

I also never called Trump a patriot.  

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[Elmer]

33 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

Your post acknowledges your problem wasn't student loans it's that you chose to use your student loans to live off of.  

That free healthcare you're referring to is the reason why those of us that work are paying premiums that are 5-10 times what they should be.  Thanks socialism!

I didn't call anyone a fool for expecting free college, I think they might be a bit entitled and maybe a bit lazy too.  

I also never called Trump a patriot.  

I agree that if I did not need to supliment my living expense through student loan I would owe only half. But once again this becomes a cyclical problem. I dont have a college degree so I can not get a better job.
I can not survive college with out working
No place that pays a decent wage would hire me due to the odd schedule of attending college.
And I only went to a state school, what happens when you go to a lofty private school for a medical degree.

"That free healthcare you're referring to is the reason why those of us that work are paying premiums that are 5-10 times what they should be."
Which Is why I have no issue with ACA forcing people to get healthcare or be fined. I am tired of paying for those who simply choose not to get healthcare (not those who can not afford it), only to need it when they are sick.
Let them pay a portion of it!

[newtogolf]

1 minute ago, Elmer said:

I agree that if I did not need to supliment my living expense through student loan I would owe only half. But once again this becomes a cyclical problem. I dont have a college degree so I can not get a better job.
I can not survive college with out working
No place that pays a decent wage would hire me due to the odd schedule of attending college.
And I only went to a state school, what happens when you go to a lofty private school for a medical degree.

"That free healthcare you're referring to is the reason why those of us that work are paying premiums that are 5-10 times what they should be."
Which Is why I have no issue with ACA forcing people to get healthcare or be fined. I am tired of paying for those who simply choose not to get healthcare (not those who can not afford it), only to need it when they are sick.
Let them pay a portion of it!

My family couldn't afford to send me to college either.  I worked and saved money from the time I was 13.  Prior to securing a student loan I had taken the ASVAB exam and seriously considered joining the military in order to pay for college.  The combination of student loan, personal savings and some minor assistance from my parents covered my first year of college.  

I worked two jobs while going to college as a freshman, one at the University, the other at a retail store.  In my sophomore year I applied for a full-time position at the school as a computer operator working midnight - 8am which not only paid me a salary but also covered my tuition.  I worked full-time and went to school full-time.  

It wasn't easy but I did what I had to do.  I realize that I had some good fortune that not everyone else has but my point is if you want it bad enough you find a way to make it happen rather than expect someone else to hand it to you.  

You don't go to a lofty private school if you don't work hard enough to earn a scholarship and can't afford to go, it's simple.  You don't buy a Porsche if you can only afford a Ford, you don't eat steak if you can only afford hamburger.   This mentality that millennials have that they are entitled to things they haven't worked for is going to be the downfall of our country.  

[saevel25]

4 minutes ago, Elmer said:

I agree that if I did not need to supliment my living expense through student loan I would owe only half. But once again this becomes a cyclical problem. I dont have a college degree so I can not get a better job.
I can not survive college with out working
No place that pays a decent wage would hire me due to the odd schedule of attending college.
And I only went to a state school, what happens when you go to a lofty private school for a medical degree.

Lots of stuff needs fixed before we start touting we need free education.

5 minutes ago, Elmer said:

"That free healthcare you're referring to is the reason why those of us that work are paying premiums that are 5-10 times what they should be."
Which Is why I have no issue with ACA forcing people to get healthcare or be fined. I am tired of paying for those who simply choose not to get healthcare (not those who can not afford it), only to need it when they are sick.
Let them pay a portion of it!

^^Bingo. People think healthcare should be free. If anyone is getting anything for free it's because someone else is picking up the slack.

Health care companies are out to make money. People think that the health insurance industry is making huge profit are wrong. They only have 3-5% profit margin. That isn't a large number. The biggest profit margins in health care are in drug manufacturing which can be upwards of 20%.

United Health Care knows it's losing money on Obamacare. They dropped out of Obamacare. They know it's filled with high risk people, and that the government is going to undercut them to keep costs low.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obamacare-nowhere-near-dead-2016-4

 

 

[StevenR84]

3 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

I worked two jobs while going to college as a freshman, one at the University, the other at a retail store.  In my sophomore year I applied for a full-time position at the school as a computer operator working midnight - 8am which not only paid me a salary but also covered my tuition.  I worked full-time and went to school full-time.  

It could be me, but I don't think there are that many on campus jobs that will cover the cost of tuition in addition to paying you. Even if they did, i'm sure those jobs are in short supply so only a lucky few will get that chance. It's good to see you did what had to be done with the opportunity you were given. That's really what Bernie is talking about. Not everyone is meant for college, but everyone this wants to should have the opportunity to do so without being buried in debt. President's usually get 1 thing during their time in office. President Obama did an interview where he said that ll he was hoping for was some level of change. He got his ACA and that was his 1 thing. Bernie (if he should pull off the biggest political miracle of all time) would have to focus on 1 thing to get pushed through, jsut like any of the others.

[saevel25]

1 minute ago, StevenR84 said:

That's really what Bernie is talking about. Not everyone is meant for college, but everyone this wants to should have the opportunity to do so without being buried in debt. President's usually get 1 thing during their time in office.

There is still so much more we can do to make it more cost effective versus writing a blank check. In the end, even Democrats do not like debt. They even have their limits. In the end, if push comes to shove, then they will just undercut what the actual cost is and colleges will start to close down. Then you now decreased supply.

Honestly, the classic Democrat method of, "Lets just throw money at it". hasn't really worked in the past.

 

[StevenR84]

2 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

There is still so much more we can do to make it more cost effective versus writing a blank check. In the end, even Democrats do not like debt. They even have their limits. In the end, if push comes to shove, then they will just undercut what the actual cost is and colleges will start to close down. Then you now decreased supply.

Honestly, the classic Democrat method of, "Lets just throw money at it". hasn't really worked in the past.

 

Yes, lets talk about how Republicans threw piles and piles of money at a war we had no business being in. They seem to have no problem with debt, as long as it fits their agenda, not necessarily what is best.

[newtogolf]

1 minute ago, StevenR84 said:

It could be me, but I don't think there are that many on campus jobs that will cover the cost of tuition in addition to paying you. Even if they did, i'm sure those jobs are in short supply so only a lucky few will get that chance. It's good to see you did what had to be done with the opportunity you were given. That's really what Bernie is talking about. Not everyone is meant for college, but everyone this wants to should have the opportunity to do so without being buried in debt. President's usually get 1 thing during their time in office. President Obama did an interview where he said that ll he was hoping for was some level of change. He got his ACA and that was his 1 thing. Bernie (if he should pull off the biggest political miracle of all time) would have to focus on 1 thing to get pushed through, jsut like any of the others.

I agree, it was hard work, tenacity and a bit of luck that allowed me to secure a full-time position at the school I went to, but I know many others that worked their way through college as well.

I'm 50 years old and was the first person in my immediate family to earn a college degree, it meant something then.  What I'm seeing in the business world today thanks to all the student loans is that the value of a college degree has dropped significantly.  

If Bernie pulls off a miracle and makes college free for everyone what will happen is that an undergraduate degree will be valued roughly at what a high school diploma is today and in order to secure the best and highest paying jobs you will need a graduate or doctorate degree which won't be free.  

The cheese will always be moved, it's all just an illusion that Bernie and millennials are creating that free college is the solution to our problems. 

[saevel25]

10 minutes ago, StevenR84 said:

Yes, lets talk about how Republicans threw piles and piles of money at a war we had no business being in. They seem to have no problem with debt, as long as it fits their agenda, not necessarily what is best.

I never said the Republican's didn't do the same.

It still doesn't solve the issue that our biggest budget items now and will be the ones that are projected to rise substantially in the future is the welfare programs associated with health care.