Heckled More At Riviera: Kuchar Or Garcia

[NM Golf]

55 minutes ago, gbogey said:

So a serious side question - if that's a fair pay scale for a local caddie, why not use a local caddie every week?  Seems like it would save money and a good local caddie should know the course well to provide some local knowledge.

According to the story below.

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Harms himself has played the role of fill-in caddie, at Hilton Head in 2006. He wasn’t planning to work that week when he received a call from Tour looper Steve Hulka, who told him that Aaron Baddeley needed a caddie for the RBC Heritage. Harms took the gig and Baddeley went on to win. Harms collected a cool $65,000 and said he was so grateful to Hulka for the introduction that he gifted him $5,000.

Harms recounted another story about a Tour pro who recently won the Panama Championship with a local caddie on his bag. The caddie’s cut: $10,000. “And that was a Web.com tour event,” Harms said.

Now what the normal rate is I don't know it just seems that most people would be a little more generous if they pocketed $1.3 million than cheapo Matt was.

Little sympathy for Matt Kuchar in Riviera caddie yard

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On Thursday afternoon the caddie yard at Riviera was abuzz about the dispute after Matt Kuchar doubled down on his position this week that tipping his caddie, David "El Tucan" Ortiz, $2,000 (on top of an...

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[iacas]

2 minutes ago, gbogey said:

I agree with everything you are saying, but it just solidifies that MK was a little cheap here.  Obviously the local guy didn't make the experience negative or he wouldn't have played well.  He should have offered the guy $10K-20K more at a minimum when he won and instead paid $1K.

Meh.

Still devil's advocate, but again… the guy doesn't even speak English.

And already refused $15k. Which, though, came only after he'd emailed.

[Swooshgolf]

57 minutes ago, iacas said:

Still devil's advocate, but again… the guy doesn't even speak English.

 

Why does it matter if he speaks English? Was he not able to at least say the few words that caddies need to say in English? 

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[iacas]

20 minutes ago, Swooshgolf said:

Why does it matter if he speaks English? Was he not able to at least say the few words that caddies need to say in English?

Caddie who speaks English: "So if you fly it 166, 167 maybe and flight it down a little, it should skip up that tier to about 172, flag is 174, but carrying the tier at 170 is gonna make fit tough to stop before the back of the green at 177."

El Tucan: "Uhhh, flag 174, 177 back señor Matt."

[chspeed]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

 

Still devil's advocate, but again… the guy doesn't even speak English.

 

TBH, I don't really like this devil's advocate guy.

[Swooshgolf]

9 minutes ago, iacas said:

Caddie who speaks English: "So if you fly it 166, 167 maybe and flight it down a little, it should skip up that tier to about 172, flag is 174, but carrying the tier at 170 is gonna make fit tough to stop before the back of the green at 177."

El Tucan: "Uhhh, flag 174, 177 back señor Matt."

He speaks some English. That's a resort so that would be silly not to be able too. But that would be funny if he didn't and he said it like that.

[iacas]

1 minute ago, Swooshgolf said:

He speaks some English. That's a resort so that would be silly not to be able too. But that would be funny if he didn't and he said it like that.

Not much. He had to use Google Translate to send the emails.

[gjunkie57]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Caddie who speaks English: "So if you fly it 166, 167 maybe and flight it down a little, it should skip up that tier to about 172, flag is 174, but carrying the tier at 170 is gonna make fit tough to stop before the back of the green at 177."

El Tucan: "Uhhh, flag 174, 177 back señor Matt."

Never good to disrespect or take advantage of people.  He shorted the caddie. Kuchar has lost my respect. 

[Pretzel]

On 2/15/2019 at 3:17 PM, gjunkie57 said:

Never good to disrespect or take advantage of people.  He shorted the caddie. Kuchar has lost my respect. 

How did he short the caddy? He paid more than the agreed upon amount, what part of that equates to shorting the caddy on his pay?

The caddy was paid less than traveling caddies who stay with their players week in and week out, but the caddy was paid more than the agreed upon amount between the caddy and Kuchar. How can you lose respect for a guy who not only pays his debts, but overpays them?

[gjunkie57]

On 2/17/2019 at 12:52 PM, Pretzel said:

How did he short the caddy? He paid more than the agreed upon amount, what part of that equates to shorting the caddy on his pay?

The caddy was paid less than traveling caddies who stay with their players week in and week out, but the caddy was paid more than the agreed upon amount between the caddy and Kuchar. How can you lose respect for a guy who not only pays his debts, but overpays them?

He won the tournament, so should have paid the prevailing compensation. What about that do you dont understand.  

[iacas]

19 minutes ago, gjunkie57 said:

He won the tournament, so should have paid the prevailing compensation. What about that do you dont understand.  

There is no "prevailing compensation" for a local caddie who doesn't even speak English and likely didn't help much beyond carrying the bag for the week, particularly after they'd already agreed to pay up to $4k.

What about that do you not understand? 😛

[gjunkie57]

On 2/22/2019 at 6:00 PM, iacas said:

There is no "prevailing compensation" for a local caddie who doesn't even speak English and likely didn't help much beyond carrying the bag for the week, particularly after they'd already agreed to pay up to $4k.

What about that do you not understand? 😛

Win tourney, divide by 10, pay caddie, go home.  Is that simple enough?

[iacas]

13 minutes ago, gjunkie57 said:

Win tourney, divide by 10, pay caddie, go home.  Is that simple enough?

It's simple, but it's also absolutely f***ing ridiculous to think the dude deserved $129,600.

Local caddies don't get 10%. You don't seem to understand this.

[Vinsk]

14 minutes ago, gjunkie57 said:

Win tourney, divide by 10, pay caddie, go home.  Is that simple enough?

If that was the deal, yes. It wasn’t.

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Another OMG crisis perfect for twitter.  My view is it's a personal/private matter and none of my business.

 

[Herkimer]

On 2/14/2019 at 9:29 AM, David in FL said:

Not even close, Sergio.

I’m still not completely convinced that Kuchar did anything wrong!

You're right.  He didn't.  Know-it-all's didn't like the deal that Kuchar made with his temp caddy and they shamed him into giving a heck of a lot more.  Speaking of a regular caddy:  Does he deserve $100,000 (or more -- using the 10% figure) if his player wins?  

So, yes, Sergio, of course!  Kuchar, on the other hand, deserved applause.