Giuliani Tells a 'Joke' Michelle Wie Reacts

[Sandy Divot]

Rudy looked like a dirty old man in the clips I've seen from the latest Borat movie. This guy has gone from "America's Mayor" to a raving lunatic. He seems to be losing his mind.

[ChetlovesMer]

11 minutes ago, Sandy Divot said:

Rudy looked like a dirty old man in the clips I've seen from the latest Borat movie. This guy has gone from "America's Mayor" to a raving lunatic. He seems to be losing his mind.

[StuM]

16 hours ago, CarlSpackler said:

Which is the reason I left Tweeter years ago. It’s a cesspool. FB is too. I am now into antisocial networking. 

Uhm, Isn’t TST is a form of social networking?

 

[CarlSpackler]

9 hours ago, iacas said:

Is that and a hundred other things. It’s not all bad by any stretch.

Not all bad of course, but bad enough. Perhaps it’s part of my grumpy old man transformation.

[StuM]

The issues is the that it is one thing to notice something but perverted to search it out and try to get a sneak peak.

Edited February 21, 2021 by StuM
Not showing my comment??

[CarlSpackler]

3 minutes ago, StuM said:

Uhm, Isn’t TST is a form of social networking?

In a way, yes. The no politics rule makes TST more tolerable, and the subject matter is mostly more specific. The membership limited to people with a common goal which is to attempt to get better at this stupid game that we all play. The moderators here do an excellent job at keeping the foolishness at bay. 

[CarlSpackler]

As to this topic which I have highjacked for my distaste of social media platforms (sorry moderators), I could care less what he said about Miss (Mrs.?) Wie. I don’t know either one of them personally and probably never will. I don’t know what his intention was in saying what he did, and I am not going to pretend to. As far as I’m concerned, this is an issue between the two of them, and they need to work it out. Or not...

[ChetlovesMer]

58 minutes ago, CarlSpackler said:

As to this topic which I have highjacked for my distaste of social media platforms (sorry moderators), I could care less what he said about Miss (Mrs.?) Wie. I don’t know either one of them personally and probably never will. I don’t know what his intention was in saying what he did, and I am not going to pretend to. As far as I’m concerned, this is an issue between the two of them, and they need to work it out. Or not...

Carl, I 100% agree with you about social media. I pay attention to it only because I have kids and do my best to stay current on what they are using and doing on-line. 

I also agree with you that this forum is more of a golfers' hangout than a traditional social media platform. Not only that but you and I are allowed to have exceptions to our rules. 

Lastly, I agree with you again about Michelle and Rudy. I could NOT care less about their issues. I was simply shocked by the fact that somebody who is in the public eye would totally step in it the way Rudy did. I know for a fact he hasn't been living in a cave for the last 40 years, but his comment certainly made it seem as though he has. I was just plain old dumb. 

[SEMI_Duffer]

If Michelle Wie truly objected to men noticing her panties were showing when she bent over to putt, wouldn't she wear skirts that didn't allow her panties to show when she bent over to putt?

[CarlSpackler]

1 hour ago, ChetlovesMer said:

Lastly, I agree with you again about Michelle and Rudy. I could NOT care less about their issues. I was simply shocked by the fact that somebody who is in the public eye would totally step in it the way Rudy did. I know for a fact he hasn't been living in a cave for the last 40 years, but his comment certainly made it seem as though he has. I was just plain old dumb. 

It just seems odd to me that people want to obsess about it on social media. I heard a lot of guys making comments about her stance in the locker room or on the course, and those comments were further in the gutter. 

[DaveP043]

11 minutes ago, SEMI_Duffer said:

If Michelle Wie truly objected to men noticing her panties were showing when she bent over to putt, wouldn't she wear skirts that didn't allow her panties to show when she bent over to putt?

If you had read her response, you might have noticed that she discusses her choice of attire, the Nike skirts with shorts built in.  These "skorts" are pretty common for women golfers of all ages, including my own wife.  The vision of "panties" is apparently a product of Mr. Giuliani's imagination.  That he needed to mention "panties" speaks to his take-away from the day.  He could certainly have told the story, said that the paparazzi interest in their group was based on Wie's putting style, without going down the "panty" route.  

[SEMI_Duffer]

1 hour ago, DaveP043 said:

If you had read her response, you might have noticed that she discusses her choice of attire, the Nike skirts with shorts built in.  These "skorts" are pretty common for women golfers of all ages, including my own wife.

I read the referenced article.  The fact she was wearing "skorts" is not mentioned.  Sounds like something akin to those tiny little skirts female ice skating competitors wear?  If so: Then Giuliani was indeed letting his imagination run away with him.  The "panties" portion of those skirts are always quite modest.

I do agree Giuliani could have made his point in a more subtle, more chivalrous manner.

[iacas]

6 hours ago, SEMI_Duffer said:

If Michelle Wie truly objected to men noticing her panties were showing when she bent over to putt, wouldn't she wear skirts that didn't allow her panties to show when she bent over to putt?

Dude.

That’s only a few steps away from “that woman was asking for it, did you see how she was dressed?”

Actually that’s basically what you just said.

[David in FL]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

Dude.

That’s only a few steps away from “that woman was asking for it, did you see how she was dressed?”

Actually that’s basically what you just said.

Good grief.  

If a woman, or a man for that matter, dresses in a manner designed to be attractive to others and to emphasize their own physique, we’re now told that it’s impolite to notice?
 

 Looking isn’t even remotely connected to the type of physical assault you’re talking about.  It’s not steps away.  It’s a planet away.  And yes, if I dress up, I am hopeful that my wife, or anyone else interested, looks at me in appreciation.

[iacas]

30 minutes ago, David in FL said:

Good grief.

No, not "good grief."

No, The Way I Dress Is Not "Asking To Be Raped"

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No, The Way I Dress Is Not Me Asking To Be Raped

'Sexy' clothes don't excuse sexual violence - CNN

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Carol Costello: It doesn't matter what Hannah Graham was wearing when she went missing. Saying men are provoked to assault by revealing clothes is a myth

Sexual Violence Myths: Provocative Clothing Is A Risk Factor - ConsentEd

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“Don’t dress in revealing clothing, because then you’re asking for it.” How many times have you heard something similar to that?

Are rape victims who dress provocatively "asking for it"? | Debate.org

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Speak your mind about the role of attire in rape cases. Find out of your peers think a provocatively dressed woman is

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If it were socially acceptable to wear anything, what would you wear? That’s what one woman who was shamed for wearing a pencil skirt to work, want...

32 minutes ago, David in FL said:

If a woman, or a man for that matter, dresses in a manner designed to be attractive to others and to emphasize their own physique, we’re now told that it’s impolite to notice?

"Noticing" very clearly is not the issue here.

32 minutes ago, David in FL said:

Looking isn’t even remotely connected to the type of physical assault you’re talking about.  It’s not steps away. It’s a planet away. And yes, if I dress up, I am hopeful that my wife, or anyone else interested, looks at me in appreciation.

Hard disagree there.

Sorry. But no. This wasn't just a case of someone noticing her under-skort "shorts" were short.

It's beyond that.

Rudy Giuliani didn't just "notice" or "appreciate" anything here. He went beyond that.

[saevel25]

9 minutes ago, iacas said:

Rudy Giuliani didn't just "notice" or "appreciate" anything here. He went well beyond that.

There is a difference in looking and making really bad comments. 

I understand that our eyes are drawn to look at certain areas of the body. That is just human nature. Its completely different in using it as an excuse to justify really bad behavior. Its completely different to use it as a way to demean the opposite sex. 

[David in FL]

18 minutes ago, iacas said:

No, not "good grief."

No, The Way I Dress Is Not "Asking To Be Raped"

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No, The Way I Dress Is Not Me Asking To Be Raped

'Sexy' clothes don't excuse sexual violence - CNN

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Carol Costello: It doesn't matter what Hannah Graham was wearing when she went missing. Saying men are provoked to assault by revealing clothes is a myth

Sexual Violence Myths: Provocative Clothing Is A Risk Factor - ConsentEd

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“Don’t dress in revealing clothing, because then you’re asking for it.” How many times have you heard something similar to that?

Are rape victims who dress provocatively "asking for it"? | Debate.org

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Speak your mind about the role of attire in rape cases. Find out of your peers think a provocatively dressed woman is

Why Do People Blame Sexual Harassment On Women's Outfits? | HuffPost

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If it were socially acceptable to wear anything, what would you wear? That’s what one woman who was shamed for wearing a pencil skirt to work, want...

"Noticing" very clearly is not the issue here.

Hard disagree there.

Sorry. But no. This wasn't just a case of someone noticing her under-skort "shorts" were short.

It's beyond that.

Rudy Giuliani didn't just "notice" or "appreciate" anything here. He went well beyond that.

I specifically said that looking is miles away from rape.  You said the two are only steps away.

When someone, male or female, dresses provocatively, of course they’re not inviting assault, but they certainly are asking that their manner of dress is noticed, and presumably hoping that it’s appreciated.

We’ve come to a sad place when people can’t distinguish the difference.

 

[iacas]

Just now, David in FL said:

I specifically said that looking is miles away from rape.  You said the two are only steps away.

Nope. We're talking about what Giuliani said, not his "looking."