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Edel: "The Swing Match System Wedges are the most exciting technology brought to the wedge category since, well, ever. Our new Swing Match Weighting Technology allows you to finally fit a wedge to your swing. With three machined out weight ports and interchangeable weights to optimize the club to your swing.

In our internal studies, testers showed a 44% increase in accuracy down range in distance and lateral dispersion combined.

80% of testers saw their best spin results with the weight somewhere other than center."


Edel Wedges are designed & manufactured from the ground up. Proper bounce & sole design make our hand-ground wedges perform where it matters most; at impact.

Edel SMS Wedges

Edel wedges have been a favorite of mine since their introduction about nine years ago:

Edel wedges tend to be higher-bounce wedges with grinds that provide varying amounts of heel and toe relief and, contrary to a lot of low-"faux"-bounce options from Vokey and other wedge makers, a typically narrow, higher-camber sole. Many wedge makers like wider soles with lower bounce because amateurs often mistakenly think they want a low-bounce wedge, but the wide sole acts to increase the effective bounce of the club(s). The wide sole also reduces versatility.

The new SMS wedges reduce the lineup to four grinds, the C-, T-, V-, and D-Grind.

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C-Grind: The C-Grind is a cambered shaped grind with lower bounce and a wider sole; this grind is optimal for golfers with shallow to moderate angles of attack with a smaller divot. This is a shotmakers wedge. The extra sole width allows you extreme versatility for bunker play and green side shots in the higher lofts; while being able to work in all turf conditions in the lower lofts.

T-Grind: The T-Grind is a triple sole grind with three surfaces; utilizing a high bounce leading edge, followed by a crescent shaped lower bounce surface, and extreme heel relief. This grind is optimal for golfers with a moderate to steep angle of attack with normal sized divot. These three surfaces allow you to open the face without increasing the effective bounce for better performance on tight lies.

V-Grind: The V-Grind is a V-shaped grind with medium-high bounce; this grind is optimal for golfers with a moderate to steep angle of attack with a larger divot. Inspired by our most popular DVR grind, this sole is great for golfers with a steeper swing motion. A higher bounce angle closer to the leading edge allows this sole to engage with the turf quickly; resulting in minimal hesitation through sand or turf.

D-Grind: The D-Grind is a dual surfaced high bounce option, optimal for golfers with a steep angle of attack and a large, deep divot. A channel in the midsole area creates a dual sole with two separate bounce surfaces. The high bounce leading edge allows the wedge to cut through the turf at impact without resistance while the high bounce on the second surface prevents any excessive digging.

SMS Weights

Edel ships with the fitting kit 2g, 4g, 6g, 8g, and 10g weights. They fit into each of the three weight ports in the back of the wedge. These weights can be moved, and should be moved during the fitting, to primarily affect the spin and other important launch characteristics. In fact, according to Edel:

  • 80% of the golfers tested saw their best spin numbers with the weight somewhere other than center.
  • Average increase in backspin was 10.04% from lowest spinning location to highest spinning location of weight

Golfers averaged about 40% improvement in carry and lateral distances to the target when fit with the SMS system and the proper weight configuration for that player.

Stock wedge will come with two 2g and one 8 gram weight: 2g is Titanium, 4g is 304 Stainless Steel, 6g, 8g, and 10g are Tungsten.

Edel SMS wedges are:

  • Forged from soft Japanese 1025 carbon steel
  • Bounce and Sole precisely CNC machined to the tightest tolerances in the industry
  • Full face coverage groove profile
  • Micro Engraved face texture for maximum surface texture roughness
  • CG optimized through shortened hosel length
  • Precisely applied cream chrome finish
  • Customized hand-stamping and paint fill

The grinds are, in order from C to T to V to D, generally accepted for the firmest to the softest conditions, or the shallowest to the steepest angles of attack.

The grinds, their amounts of bounce, etc. can be seen in this image. For example, the V-Grind goes from 12° bounce in the 48° wedge to 15.5° in the 54° and 30° in the 60° wedge. But…

Typical bounce numbers on wedges are somewhat arbitrary. They're almost all "effective bounce" that really has no standard. Edel SMS wedges have no bounce # on the sole. The forgiveness in a wedge is in the sole design, and depends or is related to the golfer's delivery, the lie, etc. Every Edel wedge, every grind and sole, has a specific purpose. Bounce is a function of the delivery, the shaft angle, and many other factors, and no bounce angle makes you a "better wedge player," but finding the proper bounce and grind that fits your delivery can help you be more consistent with what you are doing.

Fitting

There are three main goals to a fitting:

  • Optimize back spin.
  • Optimize Face-to-path
  • Dial in Directional and Distance Dispersion

Most fittings will start with roughly five 60-yard shots with your current highest-lofted gamer wedge to determine and measure (roughly a 3/4 shot):

  1. Angle of Attack
  2. Swing Speed
  3. General Ability
  4. Baseline numbers for improvement

If the golfer is steeper, start with the V-Grind and explore possibly using the D-Grind. If they're shallow, start at the C- and consider moving to T- or possibly V-. Hit shots with a 2-8-2 configuration to find the proper grind.

Then, hit five shots each with the 8 weight in the toe, heel, and center to compare spin numbers. The necessary location will become obvious for most based on their feel, the sound and the launch monitor numbers.

Fit for the shaft next by using the lowest lofted full swing wedge (most likely the 50° wedge), and optimize speed and spin. Paying attention to the transition will help determine the shaft weight and flex. Then come back to adjust for the heavy weight by using either the 4, 6, 8, or 10g weight.

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Wedge Face at Address

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Full Face Grooves for More Spin All Over the Face

"We know wedges are the ultimate utility club and the SMS wedges are designed to enhance the versatility you need. Our full face groove pattern gives you more groove coverage to ensure you get spin when you need it, whether you’re hitting a full shot or a laid-flat flop shot out of the deep rough. The laser engraved diamond texture increases the face texture for even more spin."

C-Grind Versus my Driver Grind (all 54°)

The C-Grind is a Cambered grind with lower bounce (and thus a wider sole) which favors a shallower AoA and firmer conditions.

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T-Grind Versus my Driver Grind (all 54°)

The T-Grind is a Triple grind sole (with a high-bounce very narrow leading edge, a lower-bounce crescent-shaped middle, and relief in the back), allowing you to open the face without increasing the effective bounce.

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V-Grind Versus my Driver Grind (all 54°)

The V-Grind is a V-shaped grind with medium-high bounce and is inspired by the DVR (driver) grind from the previous line of wedges. The high-bounce leading edge interacts with the turf quickly, while more severe heel- and toe-relief provide some versatility.

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D-Grind Versus my Driver Grind (all 54°)

The D-Grind is a Dual-grind sole (also called a "bullet cut" sole) with a channel cut through a moderate bounce plane which provides two effective high-bounce surfaces.

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Edel SMS Wedge Fitting Kit

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T-Grind Fitting Weights

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Grinds and BB&F Ferrules (C-, T-, V-, and D-Grinds shown left to right)

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V-Grind Lots (50°, 54°, 58°)

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Hosel Stamping

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Face Texture

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Options

Two options are available:

  • A standard, essentially pre-built wedge (with the shaft, grip, etc. that you order), that has a standard ferrule and loft stamped with no custom stamping.
  • The same standard wedge with custom paint fill colors, an exclusive BB&F ferrule (black and silver or the exclusive Edel red, black, and silver), and stamping for your name, initials, etc. on the back of the wedge in one of three styles (Monogram, Leaderboard, or Scattered).

Many, many shafts are available, with the stock being the Nippon Modus Wedge Shaft. But all 15 options are (graphite shafts are marked as such, others are steel):

  • KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 115 (R)
  • KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 125 (S)
  • KBS Wedge 110 (R)
  • KBS Wedge 120 (S)
  • KBS Tour-V Wedge (125g, S)
  • KBS C-Taper 120 (S)
  • True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400
  • Nippon NS Pro Zelos 7 (R)
  • Nippon NS Pro 950 GH (R)
  • Nippon NS Pro 950 GH (S)
  • Nippon NS Pro Modus3 Wedge 105
  • Nippon NS Pro Modus3 Wedge 115
  • Nippon NS Pro Modus3 Wedge 125
  • Graphite: KBS Max Graphite Iron 65
  • Graphite: Paterson Kinetic Ballistic KG95

A sixteenth shaft, the NS Pro Modus3 115 shaft is given in a +1" length, too.

The grips will be the Golf Pride Tour Velvet grips.

MSRP

  • MAP on the standard wedges (the non-custom ones) is $199.99.
  • MAP on the custom wedges is $225.

The weights, btw, will be solidly affixed to your wedge heads. I've asked if they're still screwed in, but cemented in (with Loctite or something else semi-permanent), or what, and am awaiting word.

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Sign me up for “eagerly awaiting feedback”. Just picked up a 9.5/10 set of Edel heads on eBay at $40/head. Trapper 50 bent to 51, trapper 56 bent to 55, and driver 60 bent to 59. They’re fantastic- so crisp through the turf.

 

will be interesting to see the next iteration.


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I can’t wait for a fitting in Erie! I’ve never been fit for wedges, only putter and full swing irons and woods. This should be fun.

Scott

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Man, these clubs are getting more and more expensive. Sigh.... 

 

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Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

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2 hours ago, boogielicious said:

I can’t wait for a fitting in Erie! I’ve never been fit for wedges, only putter and full swing irons and woods. This should be fun.

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New wedges delivered!

I got the T-Grind in the 52 degrees and the V-Grind int he 56 and 60 degree. I got the KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 and with the weight towards the heel. 

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Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

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Color me interested in the 54 and 58. I live and die by my 54 wedge in the 40 - 70 yd. range and work the club face for distance control and type of shot. My 54 is 4 yrs old and has been heavily used.

Julia

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FW: Cobra BiO CELL 14.5 degree; 
Hybrids: Cobra BiO CELL 22.5 degree Project X R-flex
Irons: Cobra BiO CELL 5 - GW Project X R-Flex
Wedges: Cobra BiO CELL SW, Fly-Z LW, 64* Callaway PM Grind.
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I’m happy to put an order in for you if you know your specs @DrvFrShow.

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I need to go for a fitting. We have a Club Champion that just opened locally. I can get fit for the wedges there, get my specs, and then order from you. Club Champion's fittings are separate from their club purchases. They're the only Edel dealer in the area.

Julia

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FW: Cobra BiO CELL 14.5 degree; 
Hybrids: Cobra BiO CELL 22.5 degree Project X R-flex
Irons: Cobra BiO CELL 5 - GW Project X R-Flex
Wedges: Cobra BiO CELL SW, Fly-Z LW, 64* Callaway PM Grind.
Putter: 48" Odyssey Dart

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Up to you. I’m charge less but they might give you a small credit.

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On 5/17/2021 at 6:48 AM, boogielicious said:

I can’t wait for a fitting in Erie! I’ve never been fit for wedges, only putter and full swing irons and woods. This should be fun.

Yup, I'm thinking the same, haha.

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Had some new Edels in the bag tonight, fresh out of the box. Touch shots around the green were excellent, but I need to hone in the distances on fuller shots… flew my only two opportunities a little long. I got a T grind in the 54 and V in the 58 both with C-tapers. Looking forward to getting in the groove with these.

 

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I’m waiting for @iacaswhen he comes to Virginia soon to get fitted for new wedges, my current set of Edel wedges are getting very old.

-Jerry

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52 minutes ago, georgep said:

flew my only two opportunities a little long. I got a T grind in the 54 and V in the 58 both with C-tapers. Looking forward to getting in the groove with these.

I liked the T-Grind for full swing shots with the 52-degree. I don't pitch often with that club and like to hit more distance wedge shots. 

I am liking the clubs more I get to practice with them.

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Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
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Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
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Mine came late yesterday and I will note that @iacas did in fact get his delivered first!😜 

Edel (not pronounced EE’-dell ) does a good job of packing the clubs.

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I got a 50, 54 and 58 to match my current setup in T-Grind with KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 125g stiff shafts. I had them put on GolfPride MCC+4 midsize grips and adjust the swing weight to D4. I verified that.

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They’re shiny!😀

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It looks like we can play with the weights. The card says ‘red’ weight, but mine is blue. Maybe they used heavier weight to adjust swing weight instead of a shaft tip weight?

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Can’t wait to hit them!
 

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But @boogielicious, how can you tell them apart if they’re all named the same? 😆

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4 hours ago, georgep said:

But @boogielicious, how can you tell them apart if they’re all named the same? 😆

Just like this!

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The C-Grind is a cambered shaped grind with lower bounce and a wider sole; this grind is optimal for golfers with shallow to moderate angles of attack with a smaller divot. 

This is a shotmakers wedge. 

The extra sole width allows you extreme versatility for bunker play and green side shots in the higher lofts; while being able to work in all turf conditions in the lower lofts.

C Grind
T Grind

 

The T-Grind is a triple sole grind with three surfaces; utilizing a high bounce leading edge, followed by a crescent shaped lower bounce surface, and extreme heel relief. 

This grind is optimal for golfers with a moderate to steep angle of attack with normal sized divot. 

These three surfaces allow you to open the face without increasing the effective bounce for better performance on tight lies.

 

 

The V-Grind is a V-shaped grind with medium-high bounce; this grind is optimal for golfers with a moderate to steep angle of attack with a larger divot. 

Inspired by our most popular DVR grind, this sole is great for golfers with a steeper swing motion. A higher bounce angle closer to the leading edge allows this sole to engage with the turf quickly; resulting in minimal hesitation through sand or turf.

 

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D Grind

 

The D-Grind is a dual surfaced high bounce option, optimal for golfers with a steep angle of attack and a large, deep divot. A channel in the midsole area creates a dual sole with two separate bounce surfaces. 

The high bounce leading edge allows the wedge to cut through the turf at impact without resistance while the high bounce on the second surface prevents any excessive digging.

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    • In the 1970s and 1980s, Dean Knuth, who became known as the "Pope of Slope," created the handicap system as well as the course rating system. He consulted with the USGA through 2002, but hasn't really had a hand in the handicapping since then, and was not involved in the WHS. Suffice to say, he does not like the WHS, and he wrote an article expressing why:  https://www.popeofslope.com/world-handicap-system.html. The problem? His article… well, it's bad. Here is a brief (for me!) exploration of that article. Part 1 includes the bulk of his point, right up until the section labeled "The Par Pitfall," here: The handicapping system has seen almost no changes in the U.S. It's the rest of the world where they've seen the biggest changes. In the U.S., ESC was replaced by NDB, we have soft and hard caps, and we use 8/20 instead of 10/20 at 96%. Those are the only real changes. Dean will spend most of the rest of the time talking about par, but — and this cannot be stressed enough — the par is irrelevant. Its role in determining your playing or course handicap does three things only: It makes the score you have to shoot to "play to your handicap" make a lot more sense. It "bakes in" the changes players should have made but rarely did when playing from different tees. Through NDB, it defines the holes on which you can take a triple (or which you can take a gross bogey if you're on the + side of scratch). The calculation of your differential at the end is completely unaffected and does not involve par. Dean will spend a good amount of the time in this article talking about how par is "less precise" than the rating and slope, but he seems to miss the two points here: Par is an integer. If it helps him to think of it as 72.000000 or something, by all means, Dean… Par is used only to adjust another whole number: the strokes a player gets on the course. We don't give 10.4 strokes — a 10.4 index player might get 13, 10, 8, or whatever number of whole-number strokes.   The problem with this type of statement is that the "par handicap" could be "7" or "13" or "88" and except for affecting NDB, players competing against each other would have the same difference (except they'd still need to adjust for playing from different tees). Let's say a 10.4 and a 14.7 are playing a 71.5/127 course. Par is 72. (10.4 * 127/113) + 71.5 - 72 = 11.2 -> 11 strokes (14.7 * 127/113) + 71.5 - 72 = 16.0 -> 16 strokes -> this player gets 5 strokes Instead of 72, plug in 23 because it's your favorite number: (10.4 * 127/113) + 71.5 - 23 = 60.2 -> 60 strokes (14.7 * 127/113) + 71.5 - 23 = 65.0 -> 65 strokes -> this player gets 5 strokes They still get the strokes they deserve (5), but we've lost the meaning as players now get 60 strokes off a 10 handicap. Remove the course rating and… you're back at the same problem as we've had where players weren't doing the calculation properly, and we lose the first benefit of "playing to your handicap". An example of that, with a 12.3 index player playing on a 68.7/123 rated par 72 course. Properly: (12.3 * 123/113) + 68.7 - 72 = 10.1 -> 10 strokes Improperly: 12.3 * 123/113 = 13.4 -> 13 strokes If the player plays a "net even par" round of golf, he'll shoot 82 and 85. Here's why this makes sense: WHS: (82 - 68.7) * 113 / 123 = 12.2 differential Prior: (85 - 68.7) * 113 / 123 = 14.97 -> 15.0 differential The player "played to his handicap" with a net even par round in shooting the 82, which aligns with getting ten strokes, not 13. This makes way more sense and is in fact an improvement over the prior system for two of the three reasons listed above: It more closely aligns the index and the score you have to shoot to "shoot your handicap" It bakes in players playing from different tees.   Par is not a factor in determining the differential in the WHS system, only the playing handicap. The only way it affects the differential is that it can award a triple bogey on a few more holes (or a gross bogey max to a few + handicappers playing shorter tees) in determining NDB. You can completely ignore the WHS system of calculating your playing handicap and your differentials — the calculation of which does not use par - is going to be almost exactly the same (again, differing only when you tripled a hole on which you wouldn't have gotten NDB but now do because you didn't do the subtraction part of the WHS course/playing handicap calculation). Or maybe it was because of the other three reasons listed above. Which were the reasons given to me back in 2017 and 2018 when I talked with some of the people responsible for helping to create the WHS. If the ease of adoption by other countries and regions, then that's a fourth reason. But, I didn't really hear much about it prior to the WHS being instituted. A similar step was also required when players played from different tees, yet this was frequently forgotten. Players used to playing the blue tees would move up to the whites and expect to keep their 13 strokes, and be dismayed and sometimes even angered and argumentative that they would only get 10. This literally makes no sense. There's no more or less rounding than in previous versions. The output of "HI * Slope/113" typically produced a decimal number, the output of "HI * Slope/113 + CR - Par" also produces a decimal number, and the output of "Score * 113/Slope" (which is unchanged) also produces a decimal number. Each are rounded just as they were before. No, Dean is way off base here. Even if you accept that "par is an approximation" (of course difficulty), it's not used as he suggests. A player playing a par-72 that's rated 75 will get more COURSE handicap strokes than a player playing a par-72 that's rated 67, but that makes sense. At the end of the round, their score is processed using the same old formula to get their differential as always. This is about where I start to wonder and worry about Dean's mental faculties at his nearly 80 years of age. It hasn't "gone away" - it's been built-in as he says, and I think it's fairly obvious that this is true. No it is not. It is what I've said above, which is what the USGA and R&A have said it is. I agree that the course rating is the "most accurate measure of the relative difficulty for the scratch golfer" (I mean, it's almost exactly the defeinition), and slope determines the relative difficulty between two levels of player. So, which of these formulas incorporates BOTH the CR and the Slope in determining a player's course handicap: a. (HI * Slope/113) + CR - Par b. (HI * Slope/113) Clearly A incorporates "the most accurate measure of the relative difficulty" (as well as the measure of the relative difficulty). Dean's favored formula did NOT include "the most accurate measure of the relative difficulty for the scratch golfer". A scratch golfer under Dean's preferred method could shoot an even par round of 72 and see a differential that ranged from +2.7 (75.4/140) to 5.5 (66.3/118) or something. Under the WHS, if they shoot net par, they're going to end up with about a 0.0 differential. No. Again, you could subtract any integer from the Course Rating (which again the WHS ADDS to the calculation in course/playing handicap that the older system did not) and get the same relative course handicaps for all players. Using par just helps it make the most sense to actual golfers. It's an integer… as are the scores we shoot and the pars of the holes we play. The addition of the "CR - Par" has almost no effect on a player's differential. Again, the only affect it would have is when NDB is applied, because there may be a few holes where they'd get a stroke that they do not. And even then, it requires the player to card a triple on that specific hole, and be among their 8 out of 20 counting scores, AND even then if it happens once a round in ALL of the eight rounds, it's about 1 stroke on their index (probably a bit less given that most slopes are > 113). This has nothing to do with "jumping in" and everything to do with the foundational reasons for adding (CR - Par). Dean sees it as "adding par" when he would more accurately see it as adding the Course Rating! Small point of order: this was not shown to be accurate. The 96% applied to all 10 scores almost perfectly offset the dropping of two middle scores. Some players indexes went up a little. Some went down a little. The net change was almost exactly 0. Yes, that's how math works. The change makes MORE sense, again, as a player shooting net par under the WHS has basically "shot their handicap". Shoot below net par and your handicap will likely go down. Shoot above it and it may go up a little (less chance of this than shooting under lowering it, though, of course). So? Half of the players who play a 72.5/72-par course will see their Course Handicap one higher than they had before the system and half will not! Also and again, players who play a course rated 68.7 par-72 will all see their course handicaps drop several strokes. That's just math, and the boundaries of rounding. Dean chose a 0.5 marker, but the same math is true at any level, because the HI already has a decimal, and the Slope/113 multiplier also tends to produce decimals. So, someone who previously had a 10.5 to 10.9 index will still be an 11, while the 10.0s to 10.4s will go up to 11s. But on another course where the decimals work out to 0.3 and 0.2… the same math applies. And on a course where the decimals work out to 0.8… players half of the players will get an "extra" stroke and half will not. This is just rounding. It's always been a part of the WHS. The point at which rounding occurs might move slightly (depending on the course and index in question) for half of the situations, but if you have a 10.0 and an 11.5… or a 10.5 and an 12.0… half of the time the higher handicapper will get the "extra" stroke, and half the time the lower handicapper will get the "extra" stroke. This is just how rounding works. Handicaps in match play are almost entirely unaffected. A 13 playing a 10 might now be a 10 playing a 7, but the difference is still the same size. You're subtracting out a constant (CR - Par) from both players. The (HI * Slope/113) remains the same. This makes no sense and Dean has absolutely failed to provide any basis for this "less accurate" while ignoring that the WHS ADDS the CR to the course handicap calculation. It is easier. Shoot net par and you've "played to your handicap." Yes, and what they say is both accurate and makes sense. The WHS method bakes in the "playing from different tees" and makes it easier to know what it takes to "play to your handicap." Those are my notes right up until "The Par Pitfall." Dean has yet to make a valid point in any of this blog post thus far. When I have the time, and feel like procrastinating a bit more like today, I'll continue with my response to this blog post. I respect what Dean did in creating the original handicap system and the course ratinga system. The course rating system is one of the most elegant solutions to a very complex problem that I have ever seen. Nothing done by the WHS changes that. The course rating system is relatively unchanged, and its application in the WHS is, again, MORE accurate by the inclusion of the Course Rating than the previous system, in addition to the other benefits. Dean deserves (and has been given) much credit for that. But, if this is how he thinks these days, Dean can remain Pope Emeritus but the Cardinals need to elect a new Pope.
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