PGA Tour and LPGA Tour Averages (FlightScope)

[iacas]

Here's an update to this old topic. I think it deserves a new topic (I'm locking the old one):

[GameImproveGolf]

Thank you for this data update Erik!  Tony

Edited February 12, 2022 by iacas
Erik

[iacas]

11 hours ago, GameImproveGolf said:

Thank you for this data update Erik!  Tony

Sure, it's FlightScope's data as you can see. I'm grateful to them for the update.

Support them and get a great device by looking at getting yourself a Mevo+.

[boogielicious]

I like the optimal ball flight chart. I will use it to compare my MEVO Plus data.

[iacas]

4 hours ago, boogielicious said:

I like the optimal ball flight chart. I will use it to compare my MEVO Plus data.

Yes. Precisely. Even if it's the second chart on the page… 😉

[Ty_Webb]

It blows my mind that the launch angle with 5 wood is the lowest. Quite amazing. 

[iacas]

24 minutes ago, Ty_Webb said:

It blows my mind that the launch angle with 5 wood is the lowest. Quite amazing. 

Yeah, also kinda nuts that their entire bag fits in less than 16° launch.

[klineka]

Peak height under 100ft with driver always surprises me as well.

[iacas]

44 minutes ago, klineka said:

Peak height under 100ft with driver always surprises me as well.

Yeah, but you typically see the good players and the Rory/Jason Day/etc. types who hit it 130 or something. 😄 

[p1n9183]

I think those yardages are going to be destroyed in a few years (unless ball rollback happens). Boys from 15 to 20 are bombers now. I followed the leaders of an am tournament last year. All of them were hitting 7 iron from 180 and AVERAGING 290, 290 and 310 Driver distance on a no roll day at sea level. 

[Ty_Webb]

19 hours ago, iacas said:

Yeah, also kinda nuts that their entire bag fits in less than 16° launch.

Right? That 25* launch with a PW - let's say it's 45* loft (probably more for a fair few of them) and they're averaging -5* attack angle. To get a 25* launch with -5* attack angle, you need a dynamic loft of about 30-32* I think - so 13-15* of shaft lean. I guess that's not crazy. I don't know what an average shaft lean with a wedge would be for a PGA Tour player.

[p1n9183]

I read somewhere that average shaft lean for pros were around 10 degrees, of course more with wedges than with woods.  

23 hours ago, Ty_Webb said:

I think - so 13-15* of shaft lean. I guess that's not crazy. I don't know what an average shaft lean with a wedge would be for a PGA Tour player.

Sounds about right. 

For a 3 wood (15° loft) , if the launch is 10° and the AoA is -2°, the dynamic loft should be around 12°/13°, giving us just 3°/2° of deloft

[iacas]

1 hour ago, p1n9183 said:

I read somewhere that average shaft lean for pros were around 10 degrees, of course more with wedges than with woods.  

Sounds about right. 

For a 3 wood (15° loft) , if the launch is 10° and the AoA is -2°, the dynamic loft should be around 12°/13°, giving us just 3°/2° of deloft

Y'all are gonna have a hard time doing all of this math… because the % contribution from the path and the face angle changes at different swing speeds and spin lofts, the shaft is not a straight line (and the clubhead is typically in lead deflection at impact)… etc.

Lotta stuff going on.

Also, 6° is one minute on a clock.

[billchao]

I vaguely recall that shaft lean is about 11° but can’t seem to remember where I learned that.

[TN94z]

On 4/4/2024 at 12:39 PM, p1n9183 said:

I think those yardages are going to be destroyed in a few years (unless ball rollback happens). Boys from 15 to 20 are bombers now. I followed the leaders of an am tournament last year. All of them were hitting 7 iron from 180 and AVERAGING 290, 290 and 310 Driver distance on a no roll day at sea level. 

I was actually watching a high school kid that works for my club fitter hitting 320-330 total on the Trackman consistently.

[Ty_Webb]

On 4/5/2024 at 3:18 PM, iacas said:

Y'all are gonna have a hard time doing all of this math… because the % contribution from the path and the face angle changes at different swing speeds and spin lofts, the shaft is not a straight line (and the clubhead is typically in lead deflection at impact)… etc.

Lotta stuff going on.

Also, 6° is one minute on a clock.

No doubt - that's why I gave a range. I think it's about 87/13 with driver face angle. I saw something today saying putter is about 93/7. Not sure that's quite right, but it was from someone who ought to know. The more glancing the blow though I think the higher the impact of the path vs face angle. So much else in it though - contact quality, spin, ball quality, all sorts. Not trivial at all.

[iacas]

1 hour ago, Ty_Webb said:

No doubt - that's why I gave a range. I think it's about 87/13 with driver face angle. I saw something today saying putter is about 93/7. Not sure that's quite right, but it was from someone who ought to know. The more glancing the blow though I think the higher the impact of the path vs face angle. So much else in it though - contact quality, spin, ball quality, all sorts. Not trivial at all.

It can be 95/5 with a putter, and can get to almost 60/40 with some low spinning wedges, but typically is 70% or so with the PW or something. Can be 90/10 with the driver, even.