2023 Ryder Cup

[woodzie264]

Depressing - nothing else to say

[boogielicious]

I’m glad I didn’t get up early.

[chriskzoo]

Even as an American who thinks they've absolutely botched everything from how they put the team together to Johnson's captaincy thus far, just want to have something to watch this weekend that's mildly interesting.  

Actually more of a fan of the Euro players as individuals.  

[colin007]

Best start ever. Go Euros!!

[DeadMan]

4-0 wasn’t the score I was expecting to wake up to. Woof. 

[elementz]

You love to see it.   Euros are fire right now.

[snow bird]

I got laughed at when i made the prediction that USA was in trouble a couple of weeks ago. I made a comment that Vegas was going strong for Europe. I was given a rash of shite from a bunch of people here. Well looks like this thing will over sooner than later.

[klineka]

9 minutes ago, snow bird said:

I got laughed at when i made the prediction that USA was in trouble a couple of weeks ago. I made a comment that Vegas was going strong for Europe. I was given a rash of shite from a bunch of people here. Well looks like this thing will over sooner than later.

You "were given a rash of shite" because you claimed that Vegas had Europe as the favorite, which wasn't factually accurate as I pointed out to you on Sept 1st.

On 9/1/2023 at 11:31 AM, klineka said:

What sportsbook? I haven't seen any sportsbooks that have Europe as favorites let alone "solid" favorites.

Fanduel has US as -125 favorites

bet365 has US as -138 favorites

Draftkings has US as -140 favorites

betMGM has US as -125 favorites

 

Can you please stop making claims that aren't based on facts?

I'm still waiting for you to provide facts that show how Finau's game is on the rise right now while Spieth's is not.

[eich41]

Well I think the JT pick controversy is put to bed regardless of how this turns out.  Having to come out down 4-0 in a must win match, and he's pretty much single handedly fending off Hovland/Hatton who are playing well.  

I'd also add, in any sport, if you're going to be down big, it's better to be down big early.

[eich41]

Well JT could go 0-for the rest of the way and his pick was justified.  He just played 1 on 2 for 18 holes against the guy arguably playing the best golf on the Euro team right now, and took half a point, and nearly a full point.    

Edited September 29, 2023 by eich41

[DeadMan]

I don’t really see a way back for the US right now. They really needed to claw some points back but they’re going to be 4 back at best after today. 

[klineka]

2 minutes ago, DeadMan said:

I don’t really see a way back for the US right now. They really needed to claw some points back but they’re going to be 4 back at best after today. 

If they can claw 2 points back tomorrow to get within 2 heading into Sunday I think there's still a chance for the US.

There are sooo many points available on Sunday.

Plus in this afternoon session there were some things that Europe got a bit "lucky" with that I don't think are sustainable, it was basically JT alone vs Viktor and Tyrell the last 6+ holes, Rahm chipped in twice and made a 30+ footer that would have run 5+ feet by, and even with all that the best Europe could do in those matches is halve them. 

I liked what I saw from the US team this afternoon especially from JT, Scotty, Brooks, and Clark and think they'll be able to edge their way a bit closer tomorrow.

[eich41]

There's 20 points left the next two days.  I think the US is still a pretty big favorite in singles, as they're much stronger top to bottom.  They also only need 14 vs. 14.5 to retain the cup.

 

Also this camera work on 18 is awful.

[eich41]

It will be interesting to see how the US responds.  They need to go back regroup, and come out with a lot more fire than what they showed today.  If I'm ZJ, I'm loading up that morning session tomorrow with my top players across the board.  You can't play Spieth in the morning session but I'd roll out your best combos of the following:

 

Scottie

Brooks

Cantlay

Xander

Homa

Morikawa

JT

Clark/Rickie (I would have went just Clark here, but he really folded at the end today)

 

Frankly I think you need to roll that out (maybe go back to Spieth for 4 ball) in the afternoon as well. Harman and Burns need to sit tomorrow IMO.

Edited September 29, 2023 by eich41

[klineka]

22 minutes ago, klineka said:

If they can claw 2 points back tomorrow to get within 2 heading into Sunday I think there's still a chance for the US.

Tough that the US lost the 18th hole 3 straight times to halve all of those matches. I still think they need to be within 2 or 2.5 after tomorrow to have a chance on Sunday so they'll need to get 5.5-6+ points tomorrow.

Today wasn't that far at all from ending 5-3 Europe. 

 

Just now, eich41 said:

You can't play Spieth in the morning session but I'd roll out your best combos of the following:

Clark/Rickie

Frankly I think you need to roll that out (maybe go back to Spieth for 4 ball) in the afternoon as well. Harman and Burns need to sit tomorrow IMO.

Rickie wasn't good today. Clark was much better (even with his poor approach and chip on 18)

Edited September 29, 2023 by klineka

[saevel25]

US results be like.... 

[eich41]

2 minutes ago, klineka said:

Tough that the US lost the 18th hole 3 straight times to halve all of those matches. I still think they need to be within 2 or 2.5 after tomorrow to have a chance on Sunday so they'll need to get 5.5-6+ points tomorrow.

Today wasn't that far at all from ending 5-3 Europe. 

 

Rickie wasn't good today. Clark was much better (even with his poor approach and chip on 18)

Agreed all around.  That last spot (especially for the morning) is debatable.  I would have just had Clark, but he really folded on 17 & 18.  

 

It is what it is, but again there's 20 points still up for grabs, and the US again is the favorite in singles just on depth of talent (obviously can change depending on how matchups shake out).   Hopefully these guys go back, and come out pissed off at the performance today.  The good news is that I don't think the Euros can play as out of their minds as they did today (Rahm holed out an insane amount today).  The bad news is that they don't have to play that well to win it at this point.  

[elementz]

The Massacre at Marco Simone….is this the first time that the US did not finish with at least one win?

Edited September 29, 2023 by elementz