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  1. 1. Tiger or Jack: Who's the greatest golfer?

    • Tiger Woods is the man
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    • Jack Nicklaus is my favorite
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Fourputt Incredible Member

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Stop and consider this a moment.  Up to that point, no golfer in history had the opportunity to play in more majors than Jack.  Players in other eras did NOT have the same opportunities for a variety of reasons - the major did not exist (Masters), the majors were not held because of war, it was far more costly in both time and money for players on one side of the Atlantic to regularly play on the other side's majors (and let's not forget that majors were even taken away from earlier era players - Hagen won a number of Western Opens, which was considered a major at the time)    Jack was the first player to routinely play all four majors every year and even planned his schedule around them.

So given the twists and turns Jack had to take to get the golf word to acclaim him GOAT I would think that Tiger would get brownie points for maintaining is original goal.  If Tiger played the GOAT game like Jack did we would be hearing that the only fair way to compare golfers of different eras is their record in events in which at least 90% of the best players in the world competed and therefore Tiger wins because 34 (14 majors, 18 WGCs, 2 Players) is greater than 21 (1 majors and 3 Players).  THAT is just as good, if not better, than the one Jack proposed.

I don't see what difference it makes whether Jack met or didn't meet his goals.  Tiger stated his goal too and hasn't met it, so how do you declare him the best if those criteria don't qualify Jack?  They stand on their records, not on goals they set for themselves.  Those are nothing more than personal motivating factors.  Tiger has a few more tour wins, Jack has more majors.  There are other factors which are much more difficult to compare and can swing either way.

Neither player is clearly on a rung above the other except in a few inflexible minds.

Rick

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For some reason, you have missed hundreds of posts that do accept that.  I've often said I can't even prove that Tiger would beat Vardon head to head, although I'd bet on him. What I CAN prove is

turtleback
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Here ya go, right our of Jack's 1996 autobiography.  He is giving the third of his three reasons (equipment and fitness being the other) for the decline of the superstar in golf (re

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That's very unfair to Jack, since he played events well into his 60's.  It also distorts Tiger's record, since he played injured for several years. It would be more fair to look at the the period

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I don't see what difference it makes whether Jack met or didn't meet his goals.  Tiger stated his goal too and hasn't met it, so how do you declare him the best if those criteria don't qualify Jack?  They stand on their records, not on goals they set for themselves.

That was ENTIRELY his point.  He was rebutting (once again) somebody for saying otherwise.

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turtleback Super Member

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That was ENTIRELY his point.  He was rebutting (once again) somebody for saying otherwise.

Thank you, I thought that as rather obvious - except, of course to those few with inflexible minds.

But then again, what the hell do I know?

Rich - in name only

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I go with Tiger.

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dkolo Great Member

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I go with Jack.

I go with Tiger.

Well, that should about settle it.

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mmoan2 Great Member

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Well, that should about settle it.

What a poetic way to close this thread! Please, lock it!!!!!!!!! For the love of all :dance:

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turtleback Super Member

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What a poetic way to close this thread! Please, lock it!!!!!!!!! For the love of all

I think you need to call 911 and report that guy holding the gun to your head forcing you to read this thread.  Or maybe you didn't realize you could close this thread for yourself by not clicking on it?

I've never understood the need to censor, some folks have.

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But then again, what the hell do I know?

Rich - in name only

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Gunther Great Member

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I think you need to call 911 and report that guy holding the gun to your head forcing you to read this thread.  Or maybe you didn't realize you could close this thread for yourself by not clicking on it? I've never understood the need to censor, some folks have.

Thank you Dr Maturity

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mmoan2 Great Member

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I think you need to call 911 and report that guy holding the gun to your head forcing you to read this thread.  Or maybe you didn't realize you could close this thread for yourself by not clicking on it?

I've never understood the need to censor, some folks have.

For the love of God, lighten up. Do you have a Tiger Woods poster hanging in your bedroom next to your collection of Little League participation trophies?

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turtleback Super Member

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Thank you Dr Maturity

For the love of God, lighten up. Do you have a Tiger Woods poster hanging in your bedroom next to your collection of Little League participation trophies?

Well argued.  Not really.  You should both go to the logical fallacies thread in the Geek zone.

But then again, what the hell do I know?

Rich - in name only

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Golfingdad Incredible Member

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I think you need to call 911 and report that guy holding the gun to your head forcing you to read this thread.  Or maybe you didn't realize you could close this thread for yourself by not clicking on it?

I've never understood the need to censor, some folks have.

For the love of God, lighten up. Do you have a Tiger Woods poster hanging in your bedroom next to your collection of Little League participation trophies?

@turtleback , I'm guessing you might not have read the two posts that @dkolo quoted in his post that @mmoan2 quoted?  It was clearly a tongue in cheek comment ... and (IMO) quite funny.

I go with Jack.

I go with Tiger.

Well, that should about settle it.

mmoan is right ... that is poetic.  Seriously ... are any of the previous 8 million posts more "correct" than these two?  I don't think they are. ;)

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mmoan2 Great Member

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@turtleback , I'm guessing you might not have read the two posts that @dkolo quoted in his post that @mmoan2 quoted?  It was clearly a tongue in cheek comment ... and (IMO) quite funny.

mmoan is right ... that is poetic.  Seriously ... are any of the previous 8 million posts more "correct" than these two?  I don't think they are. ;)

Thanks, man! I just thought it would be a good way to end a 5000 post forum.

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dkolo Great Member

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Thanks, man! I just thought it would be a good way to end a 5000 post forum.

For selfish reasons, I'm inclined to agree!

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turtleback Super Member

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What a poetic way to close this thread! Please, lock it!!!!!!!!! For the love of all

Thanks, man! I just thought it would be a good way to end a 5000 post forum.

I spectacularly misread your intent, and I apologize for my snarky rejoinder.

But then again, what the hell do I know?

Rich - in name only

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mmoan2 Great Member

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I spectacularly misread your intent, and I apologize for my snarky rejoinder.

No need to apologize for that. We're all men here. Cheers!

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turtleback Super Member

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No need to apologize for that. We're all men here. Cheers!

I think some of the women on the board might take issue with that. ;-)

I appreciate your forbearance.

Part of being a man (or really just a decent person, since it applies to women as well) is owning your mistakes, fessing up, and apologizing.

But again, I appreciate your forbearance.

:beer:

But then again, what the hell do I know?

Rich - in name only

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