Shaft Flex as Seen on Camera (Photos or Video) - Rolling Shutter Illusion

[Xfimpg]

Here are the links for a larger picture.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee510/xifmpg/Flex1_zps9252bb04.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee510/xifmpg/Flex2_zps53382bb2.jpg

[Jakester23]

No they aren't the camera isn't showing you the real picture. You should read this. [URL]http://thesandtrap.com/t/76118/shaft-flex-doesnt-matter-mark-crossfield#post_1029137[/URL]

[Xfimpg]

No they aren't the camera isn't showing you the real picture. You should read this. http://thesandtrap.com/t/76118/shaft-flex-doesnt-matter-mark-crossfield#post_1029137

Interesting link, thanks.

[billchao]

It's rolling shutter effect of the camera. More on that here:

Edit: I merged the thread.

[BENtSwing]

[BigDaddy_Sean]

OK, getting back in the game again after not playing much last year, been on the course 8 times this year.  I've been playing now for 25 years, at one point a 1 handicap golfer, now about a 5.

I have always had this problem of releasing a little early on the downswing, now that I have just recorded my swing for the first time in about 4 years, I can really see it.  I'm a big guy, 6'5" 375 lbs, have about a 105 MPH clubhead speed which could greatly be improved I think..

So, look at the frame by frame of my downswing.. I am hitting here a new SLDR 9 degree with a stock stiff shaft.. my old R11S had a Aldila Rip Alpha X in it.. I still have the shaft.. not sure if I should switch it out..

Anyways.. here's the shots ..

and here's a youtube link of the full swing ..

look at where the shaft flex is changing in the 3rd photo... way too early correct?  I've always lost clubhead speed because of that move.. However, I can generally go around of golf and count on one hand the amount of mishit shots I have.. Now, a little more than that but that's simply a timing issue.

Any thoughts? .. Switch out the shaft and go back to the Aldila RIP?  ... any tips to correct that transition?  .. I've tried a ton of ideas so far and nothing has worked correctly.

Thanks!

[Ernest Jones]

Common question. Pretty sure it's an illusion created by your camera called Rolling Shutter Effect. It's not actually happening, your mishits are caused by something else.

More here>>> http://thesandtrap.com/t/34727/shaft-flex-as-seen-on-camera-photos-or-video-rolling-shutter-illusion

[BigDaddy_Sean]

Thanks,

I thought that might have something to do with it.  However, I still am releasing early.. as you can see in the frame shots... what are some good tips to keep that shaft angle further down until impact?

[Ernest Jones]

I generally avoid giving out swing advice, but your hands need to get to the ball faster than your club head does.

Start a My Swing thread and you may get some help from someone.

[John Kyle]

This was just a lucky shot from an iPhone that was very surprising.  What does it mean?

[Ernest Jones]

Short answer: It's an optical illusion created by your camera, it didn't really happen.

Longer answer: The camera reads the image slower than the the swing is actually happening, some read top to bottom or the inverse.

Here's a thread on the phenomenon: http://thesandtrap.com/t/34727/shaft-flex-as-seen-on-camera-photos-or-video-rolling-shutter-illusion

[John Kyle]

Short answer: It's an optical illusion created by your camera, it didn't really happen.

Longer answer: The camera reads the image slower than the the swing is actually happening, some read top to bottom or the inverse.

Here's a thread on the phenomenon: http://thesandtrap.com/t/34727/shaft-flex-as-seen-on-camera-photos-or-video-rolling-shutter-illusion

Ah okay cool.  Thanks for the quick response.

[Ernest Jones]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ernest Jones

Short answer: It's an optical illusion created by your camera, it didn't really happen.

Longer answer: The camera reads the image slower than the the swing is actually happening, some read top to bottom or the inverse.

Here's a thread on the phenomenon: http://thesandtrap.com/t/34727/shaft-flex-as-seen-on-camera-photos-or-video-rolling-shutter-illusion

Ah okay cool.  Thanks for the quick response.

No problem. That question gets asked ALL the time, lol. People are usually pretty shocked the first time the see that illusion.

Nice job maintaining that lag!

[Valleygolfer]

Got my answer and removed the photo because I'm paranoid about photos of myself being on the internet, ha

But you are cool with your name on the internet?

[RandallT]

Thought this was interestinng:

 

http://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a18207/why-digital-pictures-of-propellers-look-so-weird-explained-in-one-gif/

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If you've ever taken a picture of a spinning propeller with a digital camera, or even just seen one, you'll know that they have a tendency to come out weird. Instead of capturing the hazy sort of visual buzz we see with our eyes, cameras will capture some weird, surreal jumble of a thing that isn't even physically possible. 

 

[RandallT]

Old thread, but just stumbled on the broken link in the post above, and thought I'd post again. 

The gif says better than words how the camera effect works to distort golf shaft flex. I guarantee you those aircraft propellors aren't flexing like that!

 

[Golfingdad]

Since this thread got bumped, I might as well share this.  This was on The Golf Fix just after the Masters last week.  Breed contends that Danny Willett keeps the angle in his hands until they are past his front leg, and further contends that he hasn't hit the ball yet.  I don't believe that to be possible.  Take a gander and see for yourself:

 

[billchao]

3 hours ago, RandallT said:

Old thread, but just stumbled on the broken link in the post above, and thought I'd post again. 

The gif says better than words how the camera effect works to distort golf shaft flex. I guarantee you those aircraft propellors aren't flexing like that!

 

Very cool way to show how rolling shutter effect works.

3 hours ago, Golfingdad said:

Since this thread got bumped, I might as well share this.  This was on The Golf Fix just after the Masters last week.  Breed contends that Danny Willett keeps the angle in his hands until they are past his front leg, and further contends that he hasn't hit the ball yet.  I don't believe that to be possible.  Take a gander and see for yourself:

 

Short answer is no, that's not what's happening in his swing.

I'm pretty sure in order to hit the ball while holding the "lag" or wrist angle or whatever, you'd have to drop your upper rotational center since you're basically shortening the radius of your swing arc from your address position. The only pro that comes to my mind with that kind of move is Tommy Gainey.